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SHT Responds to The Register's Bad Math

Robert Avetisian from Solar Hydrogen Trends submitted a rebuttal to The Register's articled about SHT's recent press release, pointing out some false assumptions and bad math. A poll about the offensiveness of the wording of Robert's rebuttal.

Why I tie Robert Avetisian to SHT:

1) In multiple phone conversations I had with Jack, he (Jack) referred to Robert's rebuttal to The Register, as a suitable response.

2) On Robert's site, https://kochari.info/, he talks as if speaking as a representative of the company. This wording is on the home page: "We will try to answer your questions as best as we can while protecting our intellectual property."

by Sterling D. Allan
for Pure Energy Systems News

On August 22, The Register out of the UK posted a story about Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. (SHT).

  • TRANSMUTATION claims US LENR company - Yet another set of astonishing claims is being made for yet another “low energy nuclear reactions” (LENR) technology. A Californian outfit called Solar Hydrogen Trends is claiming to have a highly efficient process using solar energy to produce hydrogen from water. Specifically, in this release the company claims to turn one barrel of water into 200 kg of hydrogen. (TheRegister.co.uk; 22 August 2014)

In linking to it, I noted: "The article is quite skeptical about the math, but they didn't seem to do their math properly. The conclusions of input versus output were given by third party testing."

Robert Avetisian, aka mind2matter2reality, from SHT, submitted a rebuttal, and was frustrated because they would not publish it. So finally, he posted it on his site. 

As I read his response, I can see why The Register did not approve it, as it contains many insults and heavy sarcasm, all unnecessary. Their forum guidelines are very lenient. I would have blocked it from appearing in the comments here at PESN, too, as it was. However, there are some valuable points he made, so I'm posting an edited version. The redacted text, for the most part, would have been grounds for my not allowing it to be posted at PESN.

[...]

I just finished reading the above [...] article by Richard Chirgwin and the [...] comments by his [...] followers.

[...]

For starters Richard Chirgwin, with 2605 followers, should’ve himself read the press release a few times to understand it and then done his homework on Solar Hydrogen Trends and checked the test reports by reputable 3rd party laboratories before starting to write his [...].

[...]
Just take a look [...]:

“A Californian outfit called Solar Hydrogen Trends is claiming to have a highly efficient process using solar energy to produce hydrogen from water”

Using solar energy to produce hydrogen?

Where did this [...] come from?

I have read all press releases, listened to all interviews, and read all articles on Solar Hydrogen Trends and I’ve never seen a mention of such a claim.

I have compiled all that information at https://kochari.info/ if anyone wants to learn the facts.

Richard Chirgwin is making things up either because he does not understand what he is reading or he is trying to spread disinformation to lead his followers down a wrong path.

[STERLING'S NOTE: With a company name like "Solar Hydrogen Trends," it would be easy for people to assume that solar is in play. From the very beginning, I've told them that I think they chose an inappropriate company name, not to mention it's abbreviation being awfully close to one of the most common swear words in the West. But they don't seem inclined to change that, so we'll take it as it is. But they shouldn't get upset with people when they misunderstand their technology because of their name.]

Let’s continue. Here is another quote from his article.

“If the SHT barrel was equivalent to a 159 litre oil barrel, the starting water had only around 18 kg of hydrogen and 141 kg of oxygen (so how did it yield 200 kg of anything?).”

Well, if you start with the wrong assumption how can you expect to get the correct conclusion?

[...] 

The “barrel” that SHT has used for calculations is the 208 liter (55 US gal) drum.

Here is a quote from Wikipedia.

“It is common to hear a drum referred to as a barrel and the two terms are used nearly interchangeably. Many drums have a common nominal volume of 208 liters (55 US gal; 46 imp gal)….”

If you start with a drum of water (208 liters = 208 kg) and convert the whole thing to a gas mixture that is on the average 96.7% Hydrogen, 1.9% Oxygen and Argon, and 1.3% Nitrogen, what is the weight of the hydrogen?

My calculator says about 200 kg.

But the size of the container doesn’t change the underlying math. With SHT’s process, all we need is one barrel of water of “any size” to make three barrels of oil equivalent [of that same size]. Or we can convert any barrel of water into a barrel of hydrogen by weight. [...]

This is what he continues to say [...] :

“Hang on: SHT seems here to say that 200,000 litres of hydrogen weighs 200 kg. Is that right? It seems not. If we take the standard measurement as a guideline, a litre of hydrogen has a mass of about .09 grams – 200,000 litres should weigh 18 kg.”

[STERLING'S COMMENT: The problem here is that Chirgwin combines the information from two paragraphs incorrectly. In the first paragraph, SHT reports a hydrogen gas production rate of "215,800 liters per hour" using 414 Watts of energy input. In the second paragraph, they report that "the hydrogen reactor can convert 1 barrel of water into 200 kg of hydrogen", which is a separate relationship. Robert's rebuttal doesn't point this out, but merely argues that the Symphony 7A performance is unexpected by conventional science.]

Mr. Chirgwin, the test report clearly shows that the output from the Symphony 7A reactor is 96.7% hydrogen and less than 2% oxygen when the inputs are tap water and 414 watt of electricity. There is nothing standard about this, therefore it will not fit your standard model.

If you are not able to wrap your head around what’s going on in the reactor, I don’t blame you.

Not many people including scientists are able to comprehend this achievement by Hakop Jack Aganyan, Konstantine Balakiryan, and the Solar Hydrogen Trends team of scientists and engineers.

At the end [...], Richard Chirgwin makes this [...] comment: 

“None of this is stopping LENR advocates getting excited, but it seems to Vulture South that SHT might at least have double-checked the arithmetic in its media release. ฎ”

Solar Hydrogen Trends publishes only the facts, unlike Mr. Chirgwin [...].

My recommendation to him is to sign up for training classes with Konstantine Balakiryan before he publishes another article.
Mr. Balakiryan was a Professor and head of physics, chemistry and mathematics department at the Russian University of Friendship (Moscow). He received his Master Degree in Physics from Moscow Lomonosov University and PhD in Physics from Russian Academy of Science.

As for Richard Chirgwin’s [...] followers [...], I will reply to your comments shortly.

In the meantime do yourselves a favor and look at the full story of Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. at:
https://kochari.info/ 

Poll

I've created this little poll to help drive the point home to Robert that this isn't just my opinion about the inappropriateness of his tone in his response to The Register's story. Also, I want to send a message to the inventors out there about how easy it is to become one's own worst enemy.

Create your free online surveys with SurveyMonkey , the world's leading questionnaire tool.

Here is a link to the results so far.

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