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You are here: > News > April 4, 2013

Defkalion lying low, preparing for some big splashes

Defkalion is tackling around 20 major applications of their LENR reactor through contracts with several licensees, including some major players. Price point expected to be around 1/10 of what we presently pay for power. First product expected by second quarter 2014. Public reactor demo expected for NI Week in August.

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On April 4, Sterling Allan conducted an interview with Buck Henderson as part of the Free Energy Now series.

by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News

We've not been hearing hardly anything about Defkalion Green Technologies in the past year, but that isn't because nothing is happening there. Quite the contrary. So much is happening, that they can hardly keep up with the requests they have been receiving -- without hardly any media attention. "We don't need any marketing."

I was fortunate to get an interview today with CEO Alex Xanthoulis and Director of Communication and Business Development, Symeon Tsalikoglou; because they are not entertaining interview requests except on rare occasion, turning down all mainstream news agencies that have contacted them.

This is just one of a few interviews they will be doing in the next few months. They're not looking for more attention.

"Wait until NI-Week in August", has been Defkalion's standard reply to most media that has contacted them, which is when they plan to be demonstrating a module in operation for the public, along with giving a scientific presentation about their technology. Ever since the days of Pons and Fleischmann, James Truchard ("Dr. T"), the CEO of National Instruments, has been tracking and supporting the development of this fledgling field the best he can. And last year, Dr. T gave a very warm reception to several LENR groups he invited to attend and present at the conference. Alex is very grateful for his material and emotional support.

Due to the difficulty of setting up (it takes four days), Defkalion will not be giving the same demonstration at ICCF 18 at the University of Missouri in July, though they will be presenting a lecture there as well.

Last October, Defkalion moved from near Athens, Greece to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, citing both challenges found in Greece as well as opportunities in Vancouver. It was taking far to long to get materials in Greece, and the Greek government wasn't being very helpful; whereas both the provincial and federal government in Vancouver have been more than accommodating, opening doors, and encouraging them. The Mayor of Vancouver has a goal of their city becoming the greenest city on earth by 2020. Also, Alex spent some of his youth growing up in Vancouver, so he has a lot of contacts there, which has been helpful as well.

Though the move took longer than expected the Defkalion laboratories have been operating since February 15.

In the past couple of years, Defkalion has been considering approached by nearly 450 different companies [actually technology types; many more companies than that] interested in licensing the reactor technology, and from that list, Defkalion has narrowed it down to under 20 companies they are now working with to implement the technology into various applications, including:

Here I am standing next to the Hyperion at Defkalion Green Technologies in Greece, February 13, 2012.
  • Water Desalination 
  • Boilers
  • Trains
  • Ships
  • Airplanes
  • Satellites
  • Cars
  • Motorcycles
  • Hotels
  • District Heating
  • Mining
  • Telecommunications Towers
  • IT
  • Metals
  • Cements
  • Pipes
  • Tires

Ultimately, there are hundreds of applications that will benefit from this technology, potentially even including portable devices, making cords and batteries unnecessary. Alex thinks that is five years away, while his scientists think it could be sooner.

"We're not selling products, we sell technology," Alex said. They let the professionals in the industry work out the details of fitting the technology to the myriad of applications out there.

However, there are a couple of slight exceptions to that rule. Being from Greece originally, where shipping is a major industry, Defkalion is taking on that application themselves. A large cargo ship (18,000 to 20,000 tons) can go through $20,000 worth of fuel each day, but with Defkalion's technology, those costs would go down to $500/day -- a 40-fold reduction in price. Imagine what that alone could do to the price of goods worldwide. Similar savings are expected in other applications as well, though the shipping will probably be the most dramatic.

With shipping, not only is there a savings on fuel costs, but also the time required for refueling, as well as the space and weight on board for the fuel, as well as no more danger from the fuel and problems of spills in the case of an accident. 

Alex expects that the price for a retrofitted nuclear plant will be 12 times lower than what they presently operate at. They expect to be able to produce power for around 0.35 cents per kilowatt-hour.

Once these units are available for home heat and electricity, the energy cost is expected to be less than $300 for six months, for a 550 square meter (6000 ft2) home. Heat alone costs that much per month in the winter in many of the colder climates. Then think of the robustness of having your heat and electricity both independent of the grid. No longer would natural disasters like hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes effect thousands or even millions of people for days on end. Your power simple doesn't even go off at all, unless your house is hit directly by the disaster.

The minimum amount of time the reactor is expected to run without any changing of the reactor cartridges is six months. One of their modules has been running for 8 months, continuously.

Another application Defkalion is tackling themselves is water desalination. That is both Alex' and Symeon's pet project. They want to see affordable water made available to people worldwide. Power is the primary obstacle in desalination projects, and with power becoming cheap, so does desalination.

Alex referred to what he calls "Mrs. Maria's principle," telling a story about a lady who lived in the same housing complex where Alex lived in Greece. She couldn't afford her power bill, so she asked the landlord to turn off her heat. She figured that with units being to the left, right, and above her, that she wouldn't get too cold. Meanwhile, Alex approached the landlord and requested that he not turn the heat of, and that Alex would cover it for her. So she thought she was being clever, when in fact, he was covering her bill. "We want every Mrs. Maria to cool and warm themselves with cheap technology."

Perhaps the most intriguing application is for satellites. They don't yet know how the reactors will work with no gravity, as well as with the jostling that comes with launch.

The automobile application is being pursued by one of the largest auto manufacturers in Europe. The telecom application is being pursued by one of the biggest names in that industry. Ditto for the airplane application.

One of these large companies plans to make a major announcement of the technology within the next six months. And the first product in the market is expected to be in production within the first 6 months of 2014.

Each company that comes to the table is expected to run their own tests of the technology to verify that it works as claimed. And before they get to that stage, Defkalion makes sure that their intended application isn't already covered by another contract already in place; for each contract is an exclusive for a range of applications.

Their primary unit for demonstrating and licensing produces 5 kilowatts of heat. However, the Hyperion device, which eventually will be for home heat, has been put on the 'back burner' for a while until they are able to handle the more immediately applicable business interests from key companies who did not care about the Hyperion itself, but only wanted the technology -- the reactor -- for their own applications. The Hyperion product will take more time because they need to perform testing, safety and certification.

Even though transmutation is a nuclear process, it is not a dangerous one. One US Company tested the Defkalion technology for about six months and reported that there was no harmful radiation emitted whatsoever (they thoroughly tested the full spectrum), and that only some gamma rays are emitted during the reaction -- but no more than you get from a household toaster -- well within safety limits. And sometimes, it doesn't even emit any harmless gamma radiation while it is operating -- puzzling the scientists who haven't yet figured that one out, who think that with every transmutation event there should be a gamma emission.

Defkalion doesn't feel like they have to understand the process 100% in order to bring it to market. The full understanding can come later. "The lady next door doesn't care HOW it works, only THAT it works."

In addition to their headquarters in Vancouver, where ~20 people presently work, Defkalion is also establishing Research and Development (R&D) laboratories around the world where there are another 17 people presently working full-time. The first R&D labs, outside of their first lab near Athens, was in Milano, Italy, followed by Brazil, then U.S., eventually ending with about seven regional labs in all. These will primarily be tasked with working with the various companies in fitting the reactor technology to the various applications being pursued. Within that R&D team, only those who have been working with the company for at least two years, who have proven their loyalty and trustworthiness are entrusted with the proprietary secrets of how the reactors work. Presently, that component of their R&D team is working on "R5", the fifth reactor, which is designed for controlling. The next reactor, R6 will be for pure performance. For each company that Defkalion enters into a contract with, Defkalion wants to have three people working full time to accommodate their needs.

Speaking of intellectual property, the primary tactic that Defkalion is using is to be first to market, and to file their patents at the last moment. Alex refers to that same tactic that was successfully used by Alexander the Great, who had 45,000 soldiers compared to the foes 500,000 that were superior in knowledge and skill. He won by being first. 

The primary advantage that Alex sees for his company is: "We are a business entity," in contrast to some of the other LENR players which are more scientific or inventor based, without a strong business team around them. Alex has personally financed the company's development to this stage, and only now is beginning to entertain possible financing.

One of the applications of this technology is in flight, which poses a dilemma in that it enables continuous flight of drones, to be able to spy on and kill people. In response to that, Alex said that one of the conditions he puts into all of his contracts is that the technology not be used for military purposes. He realizes that it wont take long -- maybe 6 months after product hits the market -- for the technology to be stolen, copied, modified; after which he will not have control over how it is used, but at least his conscience is clear that he is not approving it to be used for those purposes.

The coefficient of performance (COP) depends on how long the device runs. Most of the input energy is up front when it is brought up to 180 C, then the input is tapered off until it is just a quick pulse from a spark plug every 10-15 seconds. It takes about 1-2 hours to stabilize. So in the first 24 hours, the COP is 1:5 (five times more energy out than what is put in). But over time it gets so good that Alex doesn't like to say what it is because it comes across as unbelievable.

The output temperatures range from between 350 and 500 degrees Celsius. It once went up to 860 C in just 30 seconds, but that was an accident, and caused damage because the materials are not designed for that, so they cap it at 500 C.

I asked Alex if he ever worried about what might happen to him or his company because of the vested interests who might be put out of business with his technology. He referred to a conversation he had with someone in the oil industry who said "Alex, we are watching you. We see you as a partner, not against us. We only reach 55% of those in need." 

He realizes that they are not immune to possible knock-out attempts, and as a contingency, he has two legal offices in London who are instructed that if anything should happen to Alex or his company that they should release the technology to the public for them to be able to have it. So that back-up plan makes a knock-off attempt unfruitful.

If you are a business interested in contacting Defkalion about a possible application license, please bear in mind that they are being very picky about who they work with, and they are not looking for new partners. "We are receiving more inquiries than we know how to handle." So make it good (and be persistent).

The typical process involved in bringing a company under contract, which takes 6 months to 2 years, includes the following steps:

  1. Client sends a description of the application wanted
  2. Defkalion sees if they already have another contract covering that application
  3. A conditional, binding MOU is entered, describing the terms, timetables, testing protocol, and the protocol for fitting the technology to the application
  4. Client tests the technology to verify that it works
  5. Signs contract
  6. Receives a mock-up reactor to start cooperating on applying the technology to the application

This week, Alex returned from a trip to Europe, where he met with 170 companies wanting to get involved, of which they are finalizing fourteen. Some of them will be testing the technology this coming Monday.

You can learn more about Defkalion and their technology from their website, which includes the technical specifications for the technology.

After this interview, I am moving Defkalion up to third position in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies listing.

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Last updated August 03, 2013




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