Part I: My Concerns About Inteligentry
Here I enumerate several concerns, including the perpetual postponement
of manufacturers being shown how to run their engines; encouraging people to buy
stock to get their license so the money doesn't go in escrow; John's ignoring
great suggestions for the technology and the company; a timeline that evinces a
lack of understanding of the steps involved in taking something to market.
Here I stand at the gate to Inteligentry's
Pure Energy Systems News
We all would love it if the noble gas engine company, Inteligentry
story were true. Wouldn't that be fantastic? -- a solution for both the clean energy push and for the economic depression. Some of us want it to be true so bad that we have been extremely generous to Inteligentry, despite so many red flags, foremost being that no one there (except John, allegedly) has ever seen a working engine yet.
After visiting Inteligentry a week ago, I went from skeptical, on the verge of doing an exposι, to being optimistic. But given the correspondence I have had with CEO, John Rohner, since then, with a multitude of internal contradictions, and considering additional information about the Inteligentry operation that has come to light, I now feel obliged to present to you information, which in my assessment, concludes that this is a
highly questionable operation. Here is the info; you can decide for yourself.
Since I began covering Inteligentry, John has given many dates of when certain things were to happen, which didn't happen.
I realize that, generally speaking, when rolling out something new, things usually take much longer and cost a lot more than anticipated. So I don't see postponements of milestone accomplishments to be a red flag in and of itself.
One of the things I was holding out for was an upcoming manufacturer's meeting on around September 8, when those manufacturers who are able are to show up with a couple of engines built, were to have John show them how to hook up the noble gases and electronics to make the engine work.
What I found out today, though, is that there have been a number of such meetings scheduled since March, and each time they have been postponed because one or more of the manufacturers wasn't ready. Rather than just proceed with those who were ready, John postponed that function of the meeting to allow time for the others to get ready -- saying something to the effect that he wants to get them all started at the same time.
More manufacturers have been licensed recently, and they are working on their
engine, having just received their castings within the last month and are still
waiting for good drawings. So they are unlikely to be ready; so John could use
that as an excuse to postpone again, for example.
If that had happened one or two times, it might be understandable, but it has happened at least five times, according to Jeff Platt, who
was part of the Salt Lake City (SLC) group, and subsequently stepped down, and is now sure enough in his skepticism to go public with his name, while the rest of his
former group still want to go forward, hoping for the best. Apparently, John has made statements already regarding the upcoming meeting that Jeff thinks will turn into yet another "postponement" of showing them how to get their engines to run on
Papp's noble gases plasma effect.
Four of the five engines you have seen on display at Inteligentry were built by the SLC group, yet still John requested that they build two more in order to show up to the next manufacturers' meeting.
The appearance of those engines in his shop has given him huge credibility capital that has brought in people to buy stock and apply for licenses, even though those engines, built to John's specs to be "production prototypes", couldn't run more than a few hours at 500 rpm, according to Jeff.
He's not an engineer, but he's been around mechanical things enough to have some
common sense. He did watch the engines running with an electric motor, and they
were shaking pretty badly.
Licensing Deal in Stock Purchase
Regarding the licenses, I had been impressed by two things: 1) their low price, not preventing entry; and 2) that the license funds are put into escrow until the licensee witnesses a working unit. Puts you at ease, right?
What I learned yesterday is that PTP Licensing
has a "deal" for stockholders, that for a certain amount of stock, you can get a license included. According to a person I was speaking to yesterday from Europe, Tana Kane has been encouraging potential licensees to go this route, so they get both a license and stock in the company. More importantly, that way, Inteligentry gets spendable money, whereas they don't get the money if it is put in escrow.
Another thing I've been noting is that John keeps pushing back the date that they will stop selling stock. By having a deadline coming soon, people feel pressure to get in on the good deal while it is still available, then push the deadline back again -- a classical marketing ploy driven by and feeding the scarcity mentality.
Ignores Many Key Improvement Suggestions
One of the big red flags is how impervious John is to good suggestions about how to improve the design and improve the company. He behaves like a dictator -- he knows best, and anyone who varies substantially from his position is likely to be tossed out of the game. He's been on the hunt to find out who of his manufacturers have been talking to me, so he can excise the offending parties. Because Jeff from SLC is willing to go on record with his concerns, now the entire SLC operation is being poised to go on the chopping
block, even though he's left them.
If you look at this behavior from the vantage point that he has made everything up about having ever had an engine(s) running, and so he knows there never will be a working unit going to market, then a lot of his behavior starts to make sense. Why worry about improving the engine design if it's all for show to bring in money, not to go to market? Why plan for alpha testing to find out how the design will work in various environments -- hot, cold, elevation, vibrations, shocks, damage -- if you're never going to have such an engine to test? Why work through the fine details of all the steps needed to bring an engine to market if you're not actually going to bring an engine to market? All he needs to do is give the appearance that he's working in that direction, to keep the gig going, to keep new stock sales coming in.
Jeff's point to fellow manufacturers is: "Even if John has a real technology, he is not the kind of person you want to be doing business
with because of how he has treated so many people in the recent past."
Taking a Product to Market
Just think, for a minute, about what is usually involved in taking a new product to market that breaks new ground to the extent that this one allegedly does. You want to have months of satisfactory performance from many alpha and beta test units.
And there is the certification process, too. The alpha tests are done first (once you have a production prototype), in house; and when those perform satisfactorily, then you open up limited beta testing to run the device out in the field under a wide range of customer environments. This costs many millions of dollars, and it is why investment money is needed.
The fact that John hasn't been open to or soliciting such investment should be a major red flag that he has no intention of doing satisfactory alpha and beta testing because there will never be a working unit to test. He just tells his manufacturers that this will be their responsibility, yet he expects them to have units ready to sell by the December 11-13
PowerGen conference; even though they haven't even yet seen a unit working, let alone tested. They still have to engineer a design that will hold up. This process usually takes 12-18 months in the real world, with adequate funding.
You'll note that the Inteligentry facility has no engine testing equipment. No dynamometers. Not needed if you're never going to have a running engine, so why bother, right?
Well, John claims that he's already done all his lab testing on earlier engines that have been running at undisclosable locations. What you see now is a production prototype. That's what he told me as recently as last week when I was there.
Yet the manufactures say that the present engine design of John's would never hold up. For example, Jeff points out that the oil that is used to lubricate the engine is
likely to contaminate the noble gases, and they will degenerate. John replies: "The cylinders don't need oil, they are self-lubricating." But Jeff points at that the bearings on the Harley Davidson crank shaft at the bottom have to be lubricated with oil.
Balancing is another issue. John has the two linear pistons moving back and forth together, rather than opposed. Keeping the noble gases in is another engineering issue for the "production prototype". John says it's solved, but the manufactures disagree.
Put yourself in an attorney's shoes. Can you fathom taking an engine to market, which is going to sit in people's homes, cars, planes; just a few feet away from where people are; which hasn't been thoroughly tested? If it's a new nuclear process, what unseen emissions might there be? What unusual electromagnetic properties might be emitted? How could that effect health? You can't just assume it is safe.
A Unit to Power My House
Now, with that in mind -- what it takes to bring a product to market, with beta testing following alpha testing -- consider the lack of understanding exhibited by John when he told me last week that I could expect to drive down to Vegas in a month to pick up a (beta) test unit to take home and power my house.
Yet none of their group (except, allegedly, John) has yet seen an engine running; and even John has not yet run the present "production prototype" on the noble gas process; let alone test it to see how it will hold up.
Where is his head? Is it in reality or make-believe?
You know how much I or anyone would love to have such a unit.
I asked Jeff what he thinks about Inteligentry selling the "Popper" kits that allegedly will enable people to build a piston set-up to illustrate the core principle of the Papp engine that uses a plasma form of the noble gas to push the piston. It seems like he wouldn't do that if it would be so easy for people to discredit him if it doesn't really work.
Jeff points out that in his experience, he has found it very difficult to obtain the noble gases needed. Most sellers only sell in bulk, so people will be looking at spending many thousands of dollars for
just one gas container. He couldn't find any supplier that sell the gases in small amounts. Also, as we pointed out the other day in a news
link, helium is getting difficult to obtain, and the price is going up substantially.
(In looking into this and reading up on it, be sure to distinguish between He and
He3 . The latter is the one that is getting scarce and expensive.
It's the regular helium that is used in the Papp engines.)
So superficially, it looks like Inteligentry is being transparent, when, in fact, the chances that people will be able to procure the gases they need to run their Popper device are very low. It's not like an electronic kit where you just go down to Radio Shack to get the components you need.
[See update just below about cheaply
sourcing the gasses.]
And think a little more about this. Even if the gases could be obtained in small amounts, how much do you think a small canister of gas would cost, including shipping?; and there are 5 gasses you have to obtain. Then you probably need to get hoses and regulators. And you have to have a way to mix these (I guess a syringe and balloon could work). That is not going to be easy or cheap.
They should at least give recommendations about this in their instructions. It could, possibly, be one definite positive thing that comes from this whole saga, even if just a few people are able to replicate the noble gas plasma piston effect.
Here is what Dan Glover of PTP Licensing said regarding procuring the gas:
|At this time we are not offering any gas as part of the kit. Yes, in some areas it may be problematic to procure the pre-mix
locally (minimum order sizes and such), however the internet is a great equalizer of customer service.
The kit will be challenging to build for sure. But remember, it is a do-it-yourself kit. By definition, there are parts you will need to procure yourself. As of last week, I knew nothing about CB Radios and their RF
connectors. Today I am learning, including a annoying trip to 2 radio shacks to find a $5 cable. So far, I've had to rewind a coil, head to
Lowes 3 times for parts and sealant, re-build a non-functional filling apparatus (damaged during our move), all the while having to roll our giant pre-mix gas cylinder around on the ground for 30 minutes between
tests [to mix the gases]. The kit isn't going to be for everyone.
But we will have people who become rockstars, and we will have folks who abandon it because of the challenge/work involved.
I would think that given the specific mixture required here, there will be no
such thing as "pre-mix" anywhere, let alone locally, unless someone
who believes in this stuff and is an entrepreneur chooses to step forward to
offer a small pre-mix canister for sale (preferably someone who has made his own
system functional with that mixture).
On August 21, ~8 pm MDT, I got a call from Ed
Hemphill who is experimenting with this technology. He gave a recommendation
for measuring and mixing the noble gases.
- Take a graduated/measuring flask and submerge it in water.
- Turn it up-side down, making sure it is filled with water.
- Fill it with the gas to the measuring point desired.
- Take a mason jar, and likewise submerge it and turn it up-side-down.
- Empty the flask gas contents into the mason jar.
- Repeat the process for the other gasses.
- Leave some water in the mason jar. It will help you mix the gases when you
are ready to use them.
He said he found you can get a tank of Helium from Hobby Lobby for $36. And
you can get Argon from a local welding supply. And you can get neon from a
sign-maker. For what it's worth, he said he heard John say that you don't need
Xenon or Krypton. Ed plans on starting his popper test with 50% He, 30% Ar, and
Spelling of Inteligentry
I would argue that there is as much a disconnect between the spelling of
"Inteligentry" and intelligent (two Ls), as there is between the facts
and evidence surrounding that company and what really is going on. It claims to
be one thing, when it is not that at all.
If somehow I'm wrong in my assessment, and Inteligentry really does have a
working technology, it wouldn't hurt to hold out a few weeks to see how the next
manufacturer's meeting turns out. I've always recommended that people don't put
any money down until they see something working.
Patent Not Awarded
A commenter below points out another red flag.
"Inteligentry claims to have a patent (see
https://inteligentry.com/doc.html) and provides a link to the patent application (12/592,117). If you research the status of the application
(https://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair), the patent is not approved and the examiner filed a Requirement for Restriction/Election on 08/09/2012. There is an application, but not an approved patent. All they have is a patent pending technology."
Mark Euthanasius added:
"Back in June John Rohner wrote the following message implying that the application had been granted a patent when as you noted, examination had not even begun. Examination of the content will not proceed until Inteligentry deal with the Requirement for Restriction/Election. They have about two more weeks that they can respond or abandon the application. One of the interesting things about this application is that it was assigned to PlasmERG Iowa when John Rohner turned over PlasmERG Iowa to Michael Giraourd over legal disputes in May 2011. In June 2011, John Rohner's attorney Brett Trout filed to reassign the patent application to Inteligentry Nevada. Given the rate at which John Rohner has been burning bridges with business associates, I wonder whether Brett Trout is still handling this application."
I should point out that my list of concerns above is not comprehensive, but
reflects just some recent discoveries, conclusions.
Comment from Bob
I received this email from Bob
|From: Bob Rohner
To: Sterling Allan
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in
It has to be tough writing an article like that. I know I have thrashed
out at you over the years but I was frustrated on one hand and understood
on the other. You could not have known that every little detail of his
life and his story were totally bogus, You have probably never ran against
someone with his condition. But frankly you should have picked on the
technical inconsistencies being presented daily.
The problem with John is that he is and has always been a pathological
liar. There is no doubt in my mind that he truly believe there's an engine
of his still running after a year and a half, that he has two top secret
PhD's, and on and on. He cannot help this and it is hard to point the
finger at someone with this condition. By spinning one new story (which he
will believe 100%) after another, you eventually just wear out and walk
away. I actually blame the entire fiasco on his family who have allowed
this to go on for no other reason than to make a fast buck.
The real shame is that he is so damn brilliant. His motors are a sham
and the entire design should be pitched as worthless. His businesses are a
shame, who needs ten corporations to launch an untested product. But
having three hundred websites to spread his latest unbelievable stories
was a stroke of genius. The whole world knows John and the whole world
will watch him fall. I have no doubt the controller is elegant and
functional although it was designed before the process was understood, the
proverbial cart before the horse. I truly believe if he had stuck with Tom
and I and learned a little more, he or we could have taken the process all
the way two years ago. Unfortunately he wanted only to show his brothers
who was the top dog.
He may come through yet but it's not likely. Do you think I'm happy
about any of this. Absolutely not. It makes me sick. I wanted it stopped
years ago but this goddamn web gave him the power to just lie more [...].
Read the following list and tell me who they are talking about
Characteristics of pathological liars: [Source: https://wiki.answers.com]
- Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.
- One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will
never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need
to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If
you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly
and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be
effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would
rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that
there's anything wrong with them.
- They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't
value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If
you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will
act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on
personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well,
what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!"
(again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of
- Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will
not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only
tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their
loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will
find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.
- Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very
clear over time. they usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so
many lies (who would be?).
- They lie about even the smallest things.
- They add exaggerations to every sentence.
- They change their story all the time.
- They act very defensively when you question their statements.
- They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it
- Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc.
- Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes
anything they ever say.
- May have a personality disorder.
- Extremely manipulative.
- Has been caught in lies repeatedly.
- Never fesses up to the lies.
- Is a legend in their own mind.
Attack the Messenger
This arrived from John.
|From: John Rohner
To: Sterling Allan
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:27 AM [MDT]
Subject: Document request
Please provide a current copy of your Resume. (official request).
Now that you have made your statements I presume you have no problem being "looked" at,
as you have "allegedly" done us.
Also be advised that all the media I was "holding off" to give you the scoop is now being
invited to come by and "verify" your report and what we have and who we are.
Sorry, I really wanted to help you. Now that the knife is in my back I understand all the "warnings" I got from those who do know you.
We will be happily publishing our own "expose".
p.s. one of the magazines just got here for our interview. We will start by presenting them your last 3 stories. This should be fun.
Here are a few miscellaneous things that have come along since I wrote the
John Not Invited to Netherlands
On the home page at https://Inteligentry.com
John says (slightly edited) :
|...Oh well, we know
Sterling well now! Tana really appreciates being called a "crook"
by him too. He knows everything about everything.
It should come as no secret that all the "first
edition" stuff Sterling was going to get will go to others now as
we reset our interview schedule to those we had turned off. Thank
you, we will make sure to mention him as well there. ALSO- I have
also been asked to speak at the Netherland's conference, we will see..
1) I never called Tana a "crook."
2) John has not been invited to speak at the GlobalBEM
Netherlands conference, according to its organizer.
August 25; 8:00 am MDT
This comment by John was found in a noble gas engine fan group on Facebook, that
one of our readers passed along. (Slightly edited.)
|Paying someone to do a evaluation is a "standard" part of production testing. I could give a damn about anyone else's opinion as I am hiring experts to tell me proper answers and wring out any bugs. I suggest you consider just how you think it should be done. Hand it off to some nut without any expertise and hope he does not hurt himself? Give me, and any other company moving toward production and public announcement, a break. And Rob I agree with you.
The Popper is simply a way to take the BOOBees and keep them happy. No
one wants anyone they can not trust to do anything with the ready to market product prior to their being ready to sell it. Even car companies have strict contracts for new cars prior to "show time".
According to wikipedia,
a "boobie" is a foolish person.
On August 25, 2012 11:12 AM [MDT], at the end of an email asking why I didn't
send him my resume as he requested (), John concluded:
So with this we have no reason to be in contact.
You have no friends here [...].
So my response was directed to Dan and Tana.
|Tana and Dan,
My Resume has been published publicly for some 13 years. A simple Google search pulls it up. I'm not hiding anything.
I just though that the terms of Johns request were inappropriate. It came across like a way for him to find some way to attack me personally. Read his email to me that I've posted
My Dad is an atomic clock physicist, recently recognized as "Time Lord". https://AllansTIME.com
I just mention that to illustrate that I'm no dummy.
Don't let John buffalo you with his claims to credentials, specialists, etc., when some good ol' common sense is all you need to see through him. His behavior is totally consistent with many other scammers I've exposed over the years, though he certainly has his own unique twist to it.
I would like nothing more than to be wrong. But because so many people have gone to you based on my earlier recommendations, I feel duty bound to let them all know that I no longer hold the positive opinion that I used to; and why.
Yes, I could have waited a couple of weeks until the manufacturer's meeting to do the expose, and then John would most likely come up with yet another reason to postpone showing the manufacturers how to get an engine running; meanwhile a bunch more people, based on my earlier positive reviews, would be putting their money into stock, only for it to end up bombing in the end.
I predict no working device Dec. 11. Of that I'm 99% sure. I'd love to be wrong about that. But because the red flags are so many, someone has to say "but he doesn't have any clothes!"
I then received this email from John
|From: John Rohner
To: Sterling Allan
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:56 PM
As of 2:52 pm PST 08/25/12 you have permission to contact Inteligentry only thru this email.
No phone, or personal entry's will be allowed. Nor will any E Mail to any other delivery location.
You have no access to anyone but John Rohner.
Also may I remind you that any publishing of any data about Inteligentry without my specific
written permission is also barred.
Keep in Mind Bob has NO assets, You do.
John P Rohner
So one email says he's done talking to me. And the next one says that I
should only talk to him, no one else at Inteligentry.
August 25; 9:00 am MDT
I'm not at all sorry for the exposι I've done. In my opinion, John is showing his true colors to everyone, and his true nature is coming across very clear. It's sad. I feel like I've lost a good friend, though it turns out that the person I thought I knew never existed.
If John was genuine and truly had working engines as he claims, and he truly had a policy of "uncredibility" serving a valuable purpose, he would be grateful for my stories for giving him more of that image. That he has become so cantankerous toward me in his statements on his site and in emails to people, indicates that
this exposι is on target.
Nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong in my assessment about
John by him showing a working engine along the lines that he has claimed, first
to his team, privately, then publicly. If I had a good glimmer of hope that this
might be the case, I would have not written what I have above.
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