RUNNING ON WATER
Future Energy Concept, Inc.'s control panel in prototype 6.
On August 16, 2010, Frederick Wells responded to a series of questions as follow-up to the story we posted Aug. 10: "Company runs truck on 100% hydroxy", with description: "In the tradition of Stanley Meyer, the people at Future Energy Concepts, Inc. have allegedly configured a 2004 Dodge 4x4 pickup truck to run on nothing but water via their on-board hydroxy gas generator that uses the truck's alternator to electrolyze water, which is then ducted into the air intake."
Q. What was the longest run you ever did without stopping to recharge (batteries and water)?
So far the longest haul--------3562 miles on road trip-----still have 12 gallons left in our 25 gallon tank. In fact we have not added water since Prototype 4 , other than replacing or refining the cell. We still have the 1/8 of a tank of gasoline we used for emergency. This is a demo unit and not meant for production or constant usage, but my partner is hell bent on using it up or burning it up before I get the production unit finished; but it has only developed one small problem on the road trip. A screw fell out of the heat sink and shorted part of the board. It is still tuned to the resonant frequency, but is up over 10 volts; yet the driver travel over 890 miles back to the shop this way, and we did not have a melt down---Thank God!
Q. How much water did you use? (How many miles/gallon of water?)
Loose calculations indicate a 365 mile to gallon of water ratio---but don't quote me until we have some real laboratory numbers.
Q. What is the peak current to the HHO electrolyzer?
Nominally we run @ 55 amps when hot. When there is no pressure in the vessel, I run the cell @ 120amps to make pressure quickly---about 2 minutes from 0psi to 68psi, but this proto PWM has been oven tested at 110F @150A with no problems
Q. Do you have extra batteries, or just the stock 12V Battery?
We have a deep cycle 1500CCA battery which is used to pressurize the vessel and filter out the nasty High frequency from the PWM which when connected to the vehicle battery made the ECU go crazy. We use a battery isolator between the HHO battery and the system alternator. Note : we rebuilt the alternator with a diesel diode bridge to increase it's output from 138A to 200 A.
With a Smith's CO2 flow meter from the tig welder, which will measure up to 120 CFH which is equal to 56.63 LPM.
Q. How hot is the water temp?
Even with the messed up PWM this mourning with 80 F ambient temperatures, we are running at 122F without the truck moving. Like stated before, we had planned on a water jacket, but just haven't been there yet!
Q. Did you add any auxiliary cooling or radiators?
No just the wind blowing in the bed of the truck.
Q. What is the max speed running solely on HHO?
The tucks ECU limits us to 109MPH--hmmm someone has been watching me huh---LOL The extra O2 feels a lot like a lightly injected NOS engine. Power is not an issue---burning holes in the piston is more on my concern list.
Hope this helps you out----Have been at the computer for hours just to try to keep up with email this mourning--so excuse lack of grammar and grace!
On Aug. 16, 2010, Future Energy Concepts posted another video. It was was messed with by a hacker. The replacement "uncut" video they put up in its place on Aug. 17 is much better, containing all kinds of information about their system. These guys crack me up. Their personality, excited about their development, is contagious and funny. I could see this video going viral just for those reasons.
In the video,
David Seigler says they just finished a 3000-mile trip on their hydroxy unit
that produces 55 liters per minute with just 55 amps. "The [regular]
fuel has been completely shut off." After they turn the
hydrogen-producing vessel on, it takes a little while to bring the hydrogen up
to pressure. A battery isolator separates the vehicle's 12-volt battery
from a deep cycle battery used in the system.
Freddy mentions that plans are available online to help researchers replicate what they have. "The more people we get out there with these units that are working, the better off we all are going to be." They don't want to be targets.
Meanwhile, they are working on perfecting the technology and moving it into production. On Aug. 21, 2010 they will be having a demonstration in Arizona, USA, for people who are interested in pre-investment to help capitalize the further development of the technology. [UPDATE: On by Aug. 20, 2010, Seigler was sending the following message to people interested in attending the Aug. 21 demo:
"Thank you for your interest in Future Energy Concepts. Yes, we're for real. Yes, the video is real. Saturday's potential investor presentation is full. We are doing another Investor showing on Monday at 3:00pm in Prescott, AZ. To RSVP and get directions, or discuss a private showing please reply to this message. If you are not a potential investor, we are still happy to have you, but will schedule for the following week. Please include your name, company name, e-mail address, phone #, and intentions in your e-mail reply."]
They're also working on a professional video that they expect to be completed
Quoting from their website (as of Aug. 17, 2010):
enlarged versions on their site, copies on file at PES
Basically the water is pumped into the pressure vessel when the internal float switch is closed. The PWM is used to produce and electrical pulse which is tuned to the resonant frequency of the inner electrodes. This vibrates the water trapped between the outer and inner tubes. The outer tube is charged positive and is tuned exactly 180 degrees out of phase with the inner tube. The vibration wave is propelled by the positive charge towards the outer tubes just to be attenuated by the outer tube tuning.
The excited water molecules 2(H2O) now only require a fraction of the amperage to be converted into (2H2 + O2). Also experimentation of harmonic frequencies have produced interesting results, sometimes exceeding HHO production of the tubes at resonance. The vessel has a large inner and outer tube which is tuned 4 octaves lower than the outer tubes and has a clearance between the tubes of only 1mm. This tube produces the most heat and HHO. The smaller outer tubes have a 2mm clearance and run cooler and take less amperage and are mounted around the large tube assembly. The epoxy used to seal the bottom inside of the vessel and bottom of the electrical enclosure is laced with ferrous oxide dust 10% by weight which creates an capacitor which smoothes out the square wave pattern to a sine wave pattern which helps the transition between off and on for the PWM. Experimentation with an air coil after the mosfet drivers and before the load also resulted in an increase of efficiency.
The HHO is then pressurized to 60 PSI within the vessel, and regulated by the pressure switch which cycles the PWM as needed and the under the hood pressure regulator and dryer assembly. The HHO then travels through a check valve to an injection tee. The fuel line from the rail originally is connected to the tee before a metering valve and spring loaded valve. When accelerating hard, towing, or driving up extended grades the HHO production is not sufficient to power the vehicle alone, so when the HHO pressure dips below 55 PSI the spring loaded valve opens to let a small amount of stratified HC into the injection rail. Being stratified by the large flow of HHO allows a very small amount of HC to be burnt almost 100% and fill in for the HHO vessel until the load demand ends, and the vessel regains over 55PSI of pressure. Also if you have an HHO system fault, this allows you to continue driving until you can repair it.
According to https://www.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/aboutus
The inventor of the Hydrogen Hog, Frederick W. Wells, who is vice president of Future Energy Concepts Inc., resides in Prescott, Arizona, USA. He has been creating green energy products for his personal use for many years, including the record-holding Prochem Turbine. He also organized the Rolling Road Show. He has maintained a widely-viewed website dedicated to the furtherment of reliable alternative energies.
David Seigler serves as president of the company. He has more than 10 years in executive management, marketing, and fund raising for some of Arizona's most respected NPOs. He grew the Westside Food Bank from the 16th largest NPO in Arizona to the #1 largest store in just one year.
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On August 17, 2010 2:04 PM, Arthur Manelas wrote:
Regarding the Frederick Wells hydrogen truck, here's some facts:
I hope this helps you to understand that a lot of people tried this and so far, they have been unsuccessful.
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On 9:22:42 PM Mountain?, Carl replied:
Math "impossible" - wrong. That math post is misleading.
First we are to assume that it is correct that this engine uses 30% of displaced volume of fuel per minute at 2000RPM. That is silly. We do not know this to be the case at all for an engine running on this new fuel, HHO. The only thing we can surmise is this: Fred is able to run this vehicle on 56.63 lpm of HHO or less. Under heavy loads it is not enough. The BTU output of HHO is highly efficient, and given the fact that the heat and compression in the engine give rise to a new steam cycle (to this day the most energy efficient production of power) in each piston, and the fact that the injectors are only open a few milliseconds - it is entirely possible that the engine develops power at this rate of flow and pressure of HHO. When the gas ignites and the hydrogen and oxygen recombine, they form water droplets. In the very hot environment in a compressed cylinder, the droplets then convert to steam, expanding, and giving an added push to the power stroke of the piston.
Sadly, though this math post appears at first glance to be intelligent, it is either poorly thought-out or it is intentionally misleading. We should all wait and watch with bated breath as these hard working fellows show us more, so we might emulate their successes.
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On August 19, 2010 3:01 PM davematherly
wrote in the YouTube comments:
And none of you have ever even tried to ionize the gas.
I just spoke to Dave Seigler.
They saw the same Stan Meyer lecture I saw 3 years ago, where he says this can't be done 100% until you IONIZE THE GAS, in two stages.
Afterward, the combustive output is slightly greater than that of octane.
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