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You are here: > News > December 22, 2009

Running electric generators on nothing but water

The 16,000+ member Watercar Yahoo! group has recently been discussing a couple of new claims of people running a several-kW generator that usually runs on fossil fuel, but running it on hydroxy and water mist instead, producing several kilowatts of electrical power.

Can a 5.5-kW Genset be run on water?


Diagram from a section titled "Running an Electrical Generator without Fossil Fuel" found on pages 50-59 in the Chapter10.pdf document by Patrick Kelly (who comments below).

by Charles Couch  
for Pure Energy Systems News

Patrick Kelly, a major documenter of the free energy open source movement, recently reported that three people who live near him had extracted 4 kilowatts of power from a generator (rated for 5.5 kW output) running 100% on 3 liter/minute of hydroxy and cold water fog, using no fossil fuel at all. The system is documented on pages 50-59 of the latest update of the famous Chapter10.pdf document [1.3 Mb] which is pretty much the most referenced beginners guide to hydroxy research.

The announcement was made in the Watercar Yahoo egroup. As detractors attacked the claim, John Manning posted that he had run his house on a similar generator for 2 and 1/2 years. He then went to a diesel generator that used 15% diesel and produced more power.

John went on to tell, "the ignition timing to run a 5.8 liter V8 on 100% is 2deg post top dead centre and the electronics in the modern car are designed to make me bald". His posts also included this report... <slightly edited>

"What have I discovered 

In 1978 an Aussie designed and built a number of 100% water powered cars. These cars were based on a 1962/ 63 Ford falcon running a 170 CI persuit [sic] motor. These cars were on public display until late 1979, at which time the cars and all promotion of them stopped. Shell bought the lot out and are rumored to have destroyed all the cars but one (a car owned by one of the financial backers of the scheme). This car still exists today. I personally saw these cars. I touched them; I felt them, I heard them.

Regarding their last remaining car, I have "casually" been under its bonnet. I've driven it and was a friend to its former owner. I miss him dearly!"

John, went on to state that he was saving $1 M annually in his truck fleet using Hydroxy boosters of his own design that yield 34% savings on his trucks. He stated he has already outfitted another truck fleet for someone and has two more fleets ready to install the devices on.

The slide show found at YouTube under a search for HHO Games 2009 is a pretty good indicator that the hydroxy booster movement is fast becoming a mature industry. With these new reports of fossil fuel free power generators, the people are on the verge of doing what the Climate Conference has failed to do, end fossil fuel use on this planet. 

Fortunately for the Oil companies, we can still use carbon for carbon fiber construction projects and carbon nanotubes still cost $500 an oz. Maybe they will get smart, start using their oil for those things and stop killing the planet. They'll probably make more money that way anyway.


On December 20, 2009, Patrick Kelly wrote:

Hi Sterling,

Michael's summary looks correct to me. Boosters have been installed in taxis and "trucks" in the UK on a large scale for more than ten years now; and the information in chapter 10 of my eBook has been there for many months. There are other people running generators on water as well, but they have no inclination to go public with the information as they would prefer to be left in peace.

Actually, I am not sure of the economics of an electrical generator being run on water alone as the cost of the generator combined with the generator lifespan must give a significant cost to the electricity produced; and unless the user is able to make his own repairs and replacements, then the cost may well be high. People in urban environments may not be free to have a noisy generator running all the time, as neighbors are likely to find it a problem; although that might be solved by a soundproofing housing.

The key feature to doing this is to feed tiny droplets of cold water into the engine. That converts to flash-steam from the heat of the ignition, and the engine becomes an internal combustion steam engine. This is what Stan Meyer did, and he raised the performance by boosting the energy level of the HHO gas with UV laser LEDs, magnetic fields and heat.

The major simplification for this operation is to avoid the engineering work required to make one of Stan's gas-feed spark plug devices with its three tiny valves. That would be beyond the abilities of the average builder, but the need has been bypassed by making the feeds into the air filter rather than direct into the cylinder as Stan had to do for a vehicle retro-fit kit. 

John Manning actually converted three different designs of small generator before abandoning them in his move to a much larger generator (exactly what the people local to me did as they want to sell electricity to the local power company and not be involved in generator sales).  John altered the timing on his small generators by machining a new key slot so that the timing disc could be rotated far enough to produce the spark after Top Dead Centre, which also makes the "waste" spark of no consequence.

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Page posted by Sterling D. Allan Dec. 22, 2009
Last updated January 29, 2010


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