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PureEnergySystems.com > News > June 11, 2015; 7:00 pm MDT

Rosch demo wager

How much are you willing to bet the KPP (buoyancy free energy device) doesn't work?


by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News

On June 19, Stuart and I are going to be in Spich, Germany to see a demonstration of Rosch Innovations AG's KPP technology -- a buoyancy device involving floats that fill with air at the bottom of a water tank to cause them to rise, turning a generator in the process, such that the system can self-loop (keep itself running) while also producing excess energy for base load power production.

"IMPOSSIBLE!!!" 

"Couldn't be!!!" 

"No way!!!"  

"Find the hidden wires!!!" 

"They're a fraud!!"

This has been the deafening scientists' chorus from the article comments and forums talking about this.

Meanwhile, I'm more confident than ever that they are for real, and that their technology works (produces excess energy). A few weeks ago, I put them in #1 position in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies listing at http://Top5Energy.com, and my confidence has increased since then.

I have very high expectations that while we are in Spich, we are going to see definitive evidence that will satisfy most of you that the system does indeed work. I imagine the super hard-core skeptics will hold out until they can watch one run themselves for an indefinite period of time.

I would like to give all you skeptics a chance to put some financial meaning behind your skepticism. IF YOU ARE SO SURE THIS DOESN'T WORK, PUT SOME MONEY ON THE TABLE, OR SHUT UP.

Be sure it's an amount you can/will actually pay if we are vindicated. But for those of you who are so sure it won't work, be sure it's an amount that will hurt, if we are right.

If we provide you with sufficient evidence that a majority of you agree that the system has been proven to work, then you will make good on your pledges and that money will go toward us purchasing a system for the purpose of demonstrating in the U.S. and in New Zealand for any who want to come see it.

So this is how we'll do it. I've posted a survey (embedded below) where you can list your pledge amount and privately list your name and email. If the minimum criteria are met (itemized below), then we'll trust that you'll make good on your pledge. (Be apprised that we'll publish the full name and country of those who don't make good on their pledge.)

Below in Appendix A is an itemization of the costs and amounts to be raised for each of the three benchmarks.

Once the terms of the wager are met, a crowdfunder or other money collection avenue (e.g. PayPal) can be opened to collect your pledges.


Wager Goals

We'll conclude the wager deadline on June 19 13:00 GMT.

The first objective will be to get me a 5 kW system to demonstrate here in the U.S.

The second objective will be to get Stuart a 5 kW system to demonstrate in New Zealand.

If we have enough for the first objective but not the second, then the excess will go toward Stuart and Sean McGuinness as a tip for their excellent service at PES. 

If we don't get enough pledged for even one 5 kW system, then the wager is off
, and the uncommitted skeptics can be counted as cowards who don't put substance behind their sentiments, and they will have no right to wag their tongue about how they are so sure this KPP system won't work.


Determining Vindication

And how will we determine if we are right?

What we'll do is run another poll, after the June 19+ demo, with this question:

"Regardless of whether or not you understand HOW it works, are you satisfied that Rosch's KPP technology DOES work (produces base load power)?" (http://tinyurl.com/RoschKPP)
KPP = Kinetic Power Plant (the buoyancy system)
base load power = capable of serving like a power plant: producing energy, not consuming energy.

- Definitely
- Quite sure / Looks that way
- I don't think so
- Definitely not

I'll make it even easier for you skeptics. I'll say that we have to get at least two thirds (66.6%) answering affirmatively, either "Definitely" or "Quite sure / Looks that way".

And, as a reality check, so you can be sure we're not pulling in non-scientists who know nothing about physics, I'll include this question in the survey, and I'll include wording prior to the survey when we post it in our news requesting that non-scientists not participate in the poll:

"What is your level of scientific understanding?"

- Professional career for at least 10 years in science
- Post-graduate or above in science
- Masters, PhD, or similar in science
- 4-year college/university degree in science
- At least 4 college/university courses in science
- Did well in science in high school
- Not really into science
- Not at all into science
- What is science?

As a second condition for pledgers to make good on their pledges, I'll stipulate that we have to get at least two thirds (66.6%) on this same poll set answering at or above "At least 4 college/university courses in science".

Be aware that the SurveyMonkey service we use notes IP addresses (not publicly, but we get that info on our end), and if we can see that at least 10% of you of the "skeptic" ilk are intentionally misrepresenting yourselves in this question, to diminish the chance that you'll have to pay up, then we'll drop this number to 50%. So be honest.


Where my unit will be going

Coming out of my divorce last September, I'm still hanging out at my parent's place. They don't want the public spectacle of having this AuKW system at their home, preferring to maintain their privacy, so I won't be installing the system here.

Cheri, my ex, while she would very much appreciate having the 5 kW home power system, is concerned about the privacy as well, as it pertains to the kids. She would like a system, but not the traffic of the public spectacle it would create.

I want to be able to demonstrate the system to people, both to show them an exotic free energy technology that works, as well as to generate sales of the technology, which can help fund our operation.

My friend here in Fountain Green, Darrell Jacobson, who is just a five minute drive away, has agreed to let us install the system on his property. Those of you who have followed our news for a while will recognize his name from a little more than a year ago, when we did some H-Cat experimentation in his garage.



He will benefit from the free energy generated, and he and I will benefit from the exposure and sales as we help launch this in the United States. I was just down there today visiting with him about it, and he has the ideal situation for this

He has a shed about 50 meters from his home, which has a separate power line going to it, with a separate billing history, which is going to be in the range of $5/month. So it would be easy to show a net metering bill that shows a net 4.8 kW going to the electric company after we install the system there. It's unambiguous. 

Here is a photo of Darrell standing in front of the shed where we could install the 5 kW AuKW (where he is standing). It is easy to see from the road, for all the people who want to drive by and see the device in operation. We can store the load inside the locked shed, to pull out for demonstrations we want to give to interested/qualified groups/individuals.

Darrell's wife appreciates that it is far enough away from the home as to not be an eyesore for the home.



We would like to install the system on a Plexiglas base so that people can see that there are no wires going up to the system from underneath. We plan to have three guy wires to secure the system, tied to the ground where people can inspect them for hidden electrical wires (visually and with clamp-on amp meters).

We can have an electrical throw switch to transfer the outgoing power from going to the grid (net metering) to going to the demonstration load. (Eventually, after the initial excitement has worn off, Darrell plans to trench a cable from the unit to his home so that power can provide electricity for his home.)

In just a few minutes of observing such a system in operation, even the hard-core skeptic will have to admit that there is something to it. 

  • Zero input, 4.8 kW output, powering a load.
  • Utility bill showing a continuous 4.8 kW going to the grid.

I suggested to Darrell that we could post the utility bills for the shed on the wall of the shed in plastic covering (weatherproof) to show "before" and "after" the install.

I think it would also be fun to get the community involved in submitting design ideas for painting this tube -- make it a source of community pride -- the first in the US to have such a system of the future. Darrell's wife teaches the 2nd grade, so at a minimum, we could have a contest from them. They could cover a spent paper towel tube with white paper and decorate it like they would like to see the 5 kW 15-foot tall tube painted.

It's easy to see from the road.


Support of PES Mission

So, when contemplating how much to put down on your wager, here are the factors to consider.

  • Don't pledge more than you can actually afford to pay.
  • Pledge enough that it will "hurt"/humble your ego if we are vindicated, if you've been a skeptic.
  • If you're not a skeptic, but want to support this initiative, just indicate as much in the "remarks" field.
  • If we are vindicated, at a minimum, hopefully, your pledge will go toward getting me an exotic free energy device, at long last, after this 13+ year quest I've been on.
  • If we are vindicated, if we pull in enough pledges, Stuart also gets a device; and after all the grief he's put up with moderating the comments over the years, he deserves it, too.
  • If we are vindicated, with Sterling and Stuarts installation of this AuKW system in Utah and New Zealand, these public demonstrators can generate sales which will help finance the PES mission, helping PES enlarge its operation, creating jobs, awareness, clean energy, etc.
  • If we are vindicated, you can go down in history as having supported the arrival, finally, of one of these systems for PES to use in this long saga of the Free Energy Quest we've all been tracking.
  • If we are not vindicated, then I'll remove Rosch' technology from the Top 5 list until enough of our audience thinks they are for real.

What if we loose?

Okay, if this is a wager, then you'll want to know what we're putting on the table, so you're not the only one with something at stake. 

First of all, I've already put 13+ years of my life on the line for these exotic free energy technologies. This has been a labor of love, just barely getting by. I've put my reputation on the line, being called a crackpot, a mental case, etc.

I've already wagered.

I don't have any money to put on the table, as PES is surviving on donations, but here's something of substance that I think you skeptics will appreciate, bearing in mind the sacrifice I've already made on my end of this wager.

If, after our visit to the Rosch demo in Spich, and we run our poll, if we do not surpass the ratio of at least 2/3 being convinced that KPP at least looks real, then I will remove Rosch from #1 position in the top five, and will move them down to at least #6 so they are not listed in the top five, until such time as a similar poll finally surpasses 2/3 of our audience being convinced, and at least 2/3 of those respondents fitting the "scientist" parameter mentioned (having at least 4 college/university courses in the sciences).

Is that satisfactory to you as a fair trade? On your side, if we are vindicated, then you help buy us one of these systems that you said could not work, which we can use to generate sales in the US and New Zealand. On our side, if we are not vindicated in your minds, then we remove Rosch KPP from the top 5 until they are vindicated in your collective mind.

Pledge

So, here's the poll where you can both weigh in on this wager and pledge a dollar amount. We will only publicly post your first name, last initial, and country, unless you request to be anonymous. (Again, be apprised that if we are vindicated, we plan to publish the full names and pledge amounts of those who don't make good on their pledges within a month.)

For example, if I entered, hypothetically:
$400 | Sterling Allan | sterlingda (public) | sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com | UT, USA | remark: I'm sure this works; you deserve this.

The public progress report info would be:
Pledges:
$400 from Sterling in UT, USA: "I'm sure this works; you deserve this."

If you don't want any personal info publicized, say: "keep all private" in the name field, and we'll just report the pledge amount as being "anonymous".

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/M69WWYY

Create your own user feedback survey

Results


Appendix A: Budget

The cost for the 5 kW system is € 14,160.00 EUR gross including standard local VAT. The costs include the workshop and the complete material for construction of the plant. 

We'll also need enough money to travel again to Germany to attend the 1-week construction training meeting (these are kits), including food and lodging. I'll need to include some of the auxiliary installation incidentals for my units as my budget won't support covering these on my own.

So here is the budget of what we need to raise:
(presently €1 Euro = $1.12 USD)

TARGET A: ITEMIZATION FOR STERLING
€ 14,160.00 EUR - 5 kW KPP for Sterling
€ ~2000.00 EUR - Shipping unit to Sterling
€ 1,400.00 EUR - Round Trip Travel for Sterling (or other US rep) to go back to Germany for 1-week assembly training
€ 700.00 EUR - Hotel for a week for Sterling (or other US rep) [Stuart can share room if he gets a system, too]
€ 350.00 EUR - Food for a week for Sterling (or other US rep)
€ ~1,500.00 EUR - Inverter to US power for Sterling's 5 kW system
€ ~500.00 EUR - Plexiglas base for Sterling's system
€ ~200.00 EUR - Guy wires and ground anchors for Sterling's system
€ ~300.00 EUR - Concrete pad and bolts for Sterling's system
€ ~500.00 EUR - 5 kW load array for demonstrating Sterling's system
€ ~200.00 EUR - Double throw switch for Sterling's system
€ 2500.00 EUR - PayPal will be extracting 15% for me to pay off the balance of their loan to me
€24,310 EUR = Subtotal ($27,189 USD)

TARGET B: ITEMIZATION FOR STUART
€ 14,160.00 EUR - 5 kW KPP for Stuart
€ ~2300.00 EUR - Shipping unit to Stuart
€ 1,700.00 EUR - Round Trip Travel for Stuart (or other NZ rep) to go back to Germany for 1-week assembly training
€ 18,160 EUR = Subtotal
($20,310 USD)


€ 42,470 EUR TOTAL FOR BOTH SYSTEMS (~ $47,821 USD)

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Page composed by Sterling D. Allan
Last updated June 23, 2015
 
 

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