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You are here: > News > April 30, 2015; 1:45 GMT

Interview with GAIA CEO, Roberto Reuter

Highlights: AuKW is a kinetic power plant; two new videos showing 1) close-up of generator on top of 5 kW tube and 2) changing load by unplugging heater; yesterday's outage, infrared camera; distance between kW-h meters is ~50 M; wall fasteners.

Roberto Reuter, CEO

Ronny Korsberg, screenshot from a brief interview I did with him on his birthday, April 13, 2013, when we were visiting Fabrice Andre in France.

by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News

Today (April 29), at 18:00, GMT, we had a conference call scheduled with Ronny Korsberg as follow-up from the interview I did with him two days ago, in case people wanted to ask him additional questions from what we covered in that interview. 

Fortunately, Roberto Reuter, CEO of GAIA, who was talking to Ronny at the time, was able to join us. So the call ended up being a three-way chat between us.

There was some confusion in time zones with the call announcement, was at least one other person who had wanted to join the call who missed it. (Actually, we did the interview and hour earlier than scheduled. Sorry, guys.)

The topic was GAIA's demonstration of their five kilowatt AuKW system -- a production prototype, first of 500. For those of you not familiar, that is claimed to be a self-sustaining (no input power), with 4.8 kW net output. It is a buoyancy device in which floats are filled with air at the bottom of a tank, causing them to rise; then they fill with water on their way down, to then repeat the cycle, while turning a generator to harvest the energy gained. It is a home power version of a technology by Rosch Innovations AG, who is focusing on utility-scale applications, starting with 5 MW systems, claiming a total of 100 MW presently running at various places.

April 29 Interview Notes

Ronny Korsberg and Roberto Reuter

I think that the motor on the compressor, shown left, and the generator, shown right, for the 100 kW demo system, are probably where the magic is, not in the buoyancy. The Plexiglas KPP in the middle only produced a few hundred watts.

Screen shot from the video of the array at the top of the tube.

At the beginning of the call (perhaps before the recorder was turned on), we were talking about what I posted earlier today about the possibility that the KPP is actually a QMoGen, and the buoyancy system is unnecessary, or possibly used as a decoy. Ronny, who is familiar with that concept, having been tracking it with us for the past 2.5 years, though that was a possibility. However, Roberto, who just now has been made aware of such systems, didn't think that this was the case. "It's a Kinetic Power Plant (KPP), and that's it."

I would guess that the people at Rosch and GAIA, who don't yet have scientific descriptions for why the system works, only that it does work, have not yet weighed or tested for the QMoGen possibility. My guess is that once they realize that this is the source of their excess energy showing up, they will scrap the buoyancy portion of the system.

In reviewing today's events, Roberto said they shot a couple of videos, one showing a close-up of the generator up top; and the other showing what happens when the load changes, by unplugging one of the heaters. You can hear a difference in the noise of the generator. He also said that they sold a few systems today.

I mentioned that I would like to see a video showing a tour, beginning to end, for the sake of those not able to travel to the demonstration.

Regarding yesterday's outage, Roberto said that the conjecturing people are making about what transpired is "just wrong." He explained that they have an infrared camera, and after 2-3 seconds, the infrared functioned turned on, so it appears like the hall got illuminated. But it wasn't a power outage to the facility. It was simply, as described on their blog, that the heating systems had been unplugged earlier, for a demonstration of what would happen with a load change, and they forgot to plug them back in. 

Here's a description from their blog:

As part of customer demonstrations was asked yesterday whether a load change at the generator would be audible. So both heaters were summarily (each 1250 W) is separated from the system. On this generator load change was shortly to hear, to the control unit had runtergeregelt the compressor. So far so good, but the re-plugging the heaters has been forgotten in the course of the conversation simply. In retrospect, that turned out to be an advantage!
By the uneven power loss of each phase, there was a zero offset. Internal control has these abnormal operating condition tolerated about 2-3 hrs. Long, but then shut down the system as a precaution and submitted a failure. After the arrival of ROSCH staff, but the plant a new live stream was switched to only a total of about 45 minutes and re-started.
This error is now found in the control programming into account, so we are pleased to be able to identify and implement a further factor for base load capacity of the plant.
In particular, we thank those who provide a particularly remarkable time, meticulously every second to sit in front of the live stream and make any comments. We were greatly facilitated by an extensive analysis of the video footage.

In response to Stefan Hartmann's query about why it could only be one minute between the time of showing a picture of the kW-h meter for the building versus for the AuKW system, Roberto said that they are maybe 50 meters away from each other. He described where in the building that was (near the men's room by the entrance) to Ronny, and Ronny confirmed that it would take maybe 30 seconds to walk between the two locations. Remember, with the phone read-out, actually you'd have up to two minutes between a read-out of one minutes difference, as the readout doesn't show seconds.

I asked Roberto how many people are working at Rosch upstairs. He said around 10-15.

He confirmed that what you see in the Ronny's photo of the 100 kW demo tube is one of the floats, made of Plexiglas. 

He wasn't sure if the generator head on display next to the Plexiglas KPP and air compressor was going to be the one used for the 100 kW demo system. Ronny noted that the output range of that generator head was between 100 and 490 kW. The problem, as I see it, is that if 100 kW was the maximum output of the demo system, then this wouldn't allow you to change the load below maximum, so I would think they'll be using a different generator for that.

A question we pondered is how they will provide a 100 kW load. These typically come on a large rental trailers with resistive loads. If I remember right, a load bank trailer I saw while in Johannesburg a couple years ago was 40 kW, and it was about 3 meters long, by 2 meters wide and 3 meters high.

Roberto confirmed that the 100 kW demo will be in the same hall. Full of water, it will probably weight around 60 tons. It's 1.5 meters in diameter and 11 meters high.

Ronny pointed out that the floor is solid concrete, as are the walls, so those who are conjecturing that Rosch might have run hidden cables to the 5 kW system either through the floor or wall, are assuming that such would have been built into the infrastructure of the building. Roberto said that the two wall support beams are welded to the side of the tank and fastened to the wall with four bolts. The base is also fastened with four bolts. This is for safety, as that tower is around 1 ton, full of water.

Ronny also noted that the wiring coming into the building is not likely to be capable pulling 100 kW, so if that system does indeed produce that much electricity, you'll know it's coming from that system, not from the mains power.

Four screws to the floor. drilled hole and put screws in bottom, to fix it. So it's safe, not at risk.

Ronny looks forward to having a 5 kW system at his home in Oslo, so he can demonstrate it there.

Speaking of order, in a response to a follow-up question from John Broberg, who had wanted to join the call, Roberto said that they have not yet had any orders for the AuKW from the U.S.

We do have few interests from Australia, but no single order from US yet .. Where are the energy pioneers over there ;) activate them  please ;)
We don't know the exact situation for inverters for that grid, but as always - I think, there must be a more or less easy solution possible.

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