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Genesis Self-Sustaining Generator Prototype and Documentation Pops up on eBay

Remember the G-Cell by Genesis World Energy back in 2003 that had everyone excited, curious, mad? The company founder, Patrick Timothy Kelly ended up in jail for fraud. Well, the demonstration unit is now up for sale on eBay. Bid closes in a few hours, on May 18, 5:48:41 GMT, with opening bid requested at $2500.

By Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News

Key Links:

  • eBay listing "Hydrogen Powered Generator - Self Sustaining - Prototype, and Documentation - NR"
  • Genesis World Energy - our index page of coverage on this from 2003. You might catch some of the broken links from the company website via http://Archive.org  
  • (I've copied the entire eBay listing, complete with photos, so we can recreate the listing, if needed.)

Back in 2003, we never got a look inside. The eBay listing shows many photos.


Brief History

Nine years ago, there was a technology that was all the buzz in free energy circles, known as the G-Cell, or "the box", by Genesis World Energy, or Genesis Scientific, and eventually changed to United Fuel Cell Technologies. We tracked it quite closely over at FreeEnergyNews.com.

Supposedly, it would produce enough power to run a house, running on water, electrolyzed to hydrogen, to run a fuel cell, in a self-powering arrangement, while drawing energy from the environment in the process.

We never got a look "under the hood." All we saw was the case.

The eBay listing is the first time we're getting to see this perspective. 


Jon Got it from an Idaho Auction

I phoned the eBay seller, Jon, on the evening of May 15 to ask him about this.

He said that there are no "plans" included in the extensive paperwork, but that it does include step-by-step instructions of how to demonstrate it. 

He bought it less than a month ago from a trustee of the former company, via an online auction.

He spent some time trying to track down the inventor or other principal players to let them know he had the unit, but he couldn't locate any of them.

Jon thought it looked like everything needed is there, including a reverse osmosis unit to treat the water prior to it going into the system.

Being an experimenter himself, he bought it for a water torch, and "spent more money than I had planned on," but after getting it realized it was much more complicated than he had anticipated. 

"It looks like everything is there."

"If it's for real, then it's worth an incredible amount of money." (And in the listing he asks for 5% royalties on any proceeds if/when it goes commercial.)

The documentation includes a lot of names in it, of former investors, etc.

As far as he could tell, as the hydrogen goes back to water, they somehow collect electricity from it, though not as a normal fuel cell, but possibly involving a clean nuclear reaction.

The unit is called "the cube" in the documentation.

"It's a monster H generator or it could be a whole lot more."

As far as Jon can tell, there are no patents on the technology, and any claims to such by the company were bogus.

The "Delaware corporation" was never incorporated.

Claims of machines that they were building and shipping, weren't being built and shipped.

"It's a beautiful design. High quality. There was some money spent on this for sure."

It's about 2.5-feet cubed in size.


A Working Technology Promoted by Fraudsters?

One thing that is very clear about this situation is that the people running the company were running a scam, but it could be that they had a legitimate technology at the core of the scam, which they were milking through exaggeration and lies about capabilities, patents, licenses sold, units sold, etc.

The question is just how valuable the core technology actually was. Was it a dud that they were trying to oversell, or was it a diamond in the rough that they were clueless about? Where did they get it? Who is the true inventor?

We've seen this phenomenon of bona fide technology being stolen and exaggerated many times before:

  • Mike Brady and his Perendev magnet motor, which was pirated from a Brazilian inventor and patent.
  • Carl Tilley and the TUV.
  • The Johnson Magnet Motor plans presently being sold widely around the web


Working but not Practical?

Another question that should be asked is, "Even if it is a legitimate technology in terms of actually working, is it a cost-effective, efficient, clean, feasible technology?"

It could be that it might work but that its component cost, instability, difficulty of installing, rarity of certain components, or other factors could render it impractical as a marketable device.

Somewhere in our deliberations about this technology, the view was expressed that this technology is probably outdated; and current research in this field is far superior; so why bother with this one.


Much Better Stuff Being Developed Now? 


As we at NEST did some due diligence in checking around about the technology, here is one of the comments that came in from an open-minded physicist:

In summary, do not buy it.

The pictures of the generator are detailed and show a bunch of hydrogen electrolysis cells.  My question is this, are the cells still functional?  They could be contaminated with something that reduces or inhibits their functionality meaning they would all have to be rebuilt with new membranes.  Assuming the opened line could be reconnected directly, like, no stripped threads on the fittings.  I would be suspicious of the generator because it is not currently in working order.

Now the big suspicion:  The generator is not opened up to see the interior so we cannot see the conversion technology.  So, I went to the http://www.ion-power.com/products.html products website.  And there I downloaded the attached PDF file.  It shows some of the "additional" equipment that comes with the unit.  From the data sheet it appears that the enclosed box just contains a/several hydrogen fuel cell(s) that will just convert the hydrogen back to electricity, less conversion losses.  Now, someone may have used a trick or two to get it to work at a couple of volts but the work function to break down H2O is fairly low anyway. 

So, in summary, I think there was some kind of scam in play and the unit just makes hydrogen gas from water and then combines the hydrogen with oxygen in a fuel cell to make low voltage electricity, less conversion losses.  And that would lead to a net loss of power and energy.

And then to top it off there is great suspicion raised by the contents of Free Energy Link.  I see little doubt that there was fraud and if the device worked it would be worth hundreds of millions more than he defrauded the investors.

In summary I just do not see anything there so I recommend don't buy it.

If you really wanted a bunch of those hydrogen separator cells, I would recommend offering maybe $500 for the frames and plumbing realizing that you may need to disassemble everything and replace all the membranes.


Four Amish Friends Just Visited Jon

On May 15, four Amish men (not Orthodox) from Pennsylvania arrived to visit me here in Ephraim, Utah, having driven cross country in a Prius. They're seeking a technology that is close to being ready to go to market to get involved with helping bring it forward.

That night, when I got the email telling me about the eBay auction, I forwarded it to them, thinking they might find it interesting.

We talked again the next morning, weighing the pros/cons (literal); and overall they thought the photos portrayed a likely legitimate technology, which unfortunately had been taken over by a fraudulent business. Considering the low cost of the bid, they thought it would be worth a trip up to Oregon to check it out in person before purchasing.

That is why I postponed doing a story on this. I didn't want to see any kind of bidding war take place among people who should be working together on this.

The Amish guys are all for open sourcing, and that is what they would do after figuring out how it works. I told them that we at the New Energy Systems Trust (NEST) would gladly help in the process, to helping find people to figure out if there are still any intellectual property claims to it, figure out how it works, reverse engineer it, draw up plans, disseminate those. etc.

They headed out later that day and were in Boise by that night.

I just got off the phone with them around 9 pm MDT, May 17, and here is what they reported, briefly:

The unit is very sophisticated. It won't be easy to figure out. 

It looks like there are a couple of key components missing. There is another unit, a mixer unit that mixes the gas (oxygen and water, into correct ratios), that is not with unit.

It uses a solar panel to make part of the electricity, which makes it dependent on solar availability for functionality, so far as base load power capability is concerned.

It requires an oxygen tank.

"If you have someone that wants to bid on it, we're not going to stand in their way."

If no one bids, then Jon has an alternative plan: someone he knows to turn loose on it to develop it.

The documentation includes certificates of people and companies that put money into this. "We added it up, and it came to over 40 million dollars." "Their names are there, everything is there. 

"There's no reason that he [Patrick Timothy Kelly] shouldn't have it out and running if he just operated it correctly."

There aren't going to be very many people that will understand what is going on with this unit. You'll probably need an open-minded physicist. 

There are essentially two halves of the unit. On half involves pulling electricity off hydrogen to go into the other box [where it is used in a fuel cell?].

"There's a lot of research that needs to be done to get this running. We're more looking for technologies that are ready to go."


What Would I Do?

If money were not an restraint, I would be inclined to procure this and open it up in an open source project to see if we could resurrect it, reverse engineer it, assess its potential feasibility, determine if its IP is clear; and if all those things checked out, then open source it to market.

There are plenty of ways to generate revenue streams in open source projects, the most obvious being to request a royalty on all commercial applications.

I would also want to try and track down the true inventor or his heirs, an share that royalty with them.


If You End up Winning this Bid

I hope, if you are the one who ends up winning this bid, that you will consider working with NEST to open source this, along the lines that I've described here.

And even if you don't want to open source it, we at NEST would be glad to help you locate the various resources (talents, funds, tools, etc.) to bring it to market, if it is feasible.

Feel free to contact us and count us in on the project.


Status

The bid ended at 11:48 pm MDT with 0 bids. I don't know if Jon is going to re-list it. See archive.


Forum Created

Contact

Jon McIntire lists his phone number on his eBay listing: 541-410-5658

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This story is also published at Examiner.

See also

Resources at PESWiki

Page posted by Sterling D. Allan Nov. 15, 2006
Last updated June 07, 2012
 
 

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