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31, 2011; 10:30 am MST
After the E-Cat Test: Report and Q&A with Rossi
After the successful test of the one megawatt plant was performed, Rossi read the official report to those who attended, and took time to answer questions. We present video of the Q and A in four parts, with full transcriptions.
Andrea Ross reads the results following
the test of the 1 MW E-Cat plant.
By Hank Mills
Pure Energy Systems News
On October 28th of
2011, Sterling Allan, the founder of PESN, attended the test of the world's first one megawatt, E-Cat
(Energy Catalyzer) cold fusion reactor. After the successful test, he attended a gathering in which the inventor, Andrea Rossi read the official public report about the test, and answered the questions of those who attended. Sterling Allan shot a video of the reading of the report and of the Q and A. We present here the video along with transcriptions of each part.
Rossi was conscientious to give all his information in both English and Italian, though there may be some additional info or clarifications available for those who might know both
languages. Only the English portions of the video are transcribed here. If any of our readers would be willing to transcribe and translate the Italian portions that clarify or add to what was said in
English, we would tremendously appreciate that.
In the near future PESN will provide a more technical report on the test of the one megawatt plant.
So stay tuned to PESN for more coverage of this historic event!
Part 1 of 4
I am going to read the report that together with the consultant engineer Domenico Fioravanti has been written.
All of the logs about the temperatures and all the data in this report, and all of the diagram that we have made by the computers, etc. will be automatically sent to all of your email addresses. All I ask of you is kindly to put your email address on a paper that I will put here, so in real time this evening you will receive all of the report I am writing, and all of the data logged into the computers of the temperatures, times, etc. You will receive it in real time in your computers. Just leave us your email address in a paper that I will leave on this table.
After this reading, now that the plant is absolutely void of any kind of danger, because we are are cooling down, so absolutely you will be free to return and take pictures where we have put the plant. I will accompany you in groups of five and we will go ahead with that.
The test has been performed by parties for the customer's engineer Domenico Fioravanti, offered for sale by Leonardo Corporation Dr. Andrea Rossi, which is me. Expert scientist for the measurement of the radiations outside the reactors is Dr. David Bianchini of the University of Bologna. Presently, David is preparing all this stuff to send to your emails.
The date of the test October 28, 2011. The time of the test from nine this morning through six tonight. Test protocol - the test has the goal of comparing the energy output of the reactor made in the description of the patent number, against the energy consumption of the same.
To reach the goal of this test, we have measured the energy input to the reactor by the means of the following instrumentation, and with the following methodology. The methodology and instrumentation has been chosen by Domenico Fioravanti. And we had to change this morning, we started a little bit later, because we had to substitute some instrumentation for the controls. This is why we started a little bit later, a couple of hours later.
Such instrumentation has been, is the following: The energy output or production has been measured by means of the integral of the delta t of the water coolant of the reactor. Heat function of the water flow plus the vaporization heat of the water turned into steam. To be conservative, all the water that arrived at the output of the reactor has been collected, and it's weight has been subtracted from the amount of water that has been considered vaporized.
The water flow rate has been measured by a scale reservoir. And a chronograph of the time, etc. This is not true, because Domenico did not want this system, but he wanted to install two flow measurement instruments that he has bought himself, and we have installed it in the position that he wanted them to be installed. The temperature of the water before and after the reactor has been measured by means of the following instrumentation that has been tested by the customer. Test of data logger [PART NAME/NUMBER] test of thermocouples [PART NAME/NUMBER]. The thermocouples are for high temperature.
Test for radiation we have measured, the radiations have been..... sorry I forgot did I tell to you about the thermocouples in English? Did I speak of the thermocouples in English? Sorry, I forgot if I had already translated it. Sorry, I am a little confused.
The radiation has been measured by David, who is a specialist from the University of Bologna about radiation measurements. He has found no radiation above the background. Of course outside the reactors in the environment around the reactors. So basically the test has been safe, we have respected the safety codes.
The hydrogen tank has been weighed my means of a scale before and after the loading of the hydrogen into the reactor. So the hydrogen has been weighed before and after the supply of hydrogen was given to the plant. Before we had the scale, before the loading of the hydrogen into the reactors, the weight measured is 1,3604.5 grams. I am sorry for Americans I use European, but if you need I can make an equation for you. If you are not familiar with kilograms we use kilograms. Anyway, I repeat before the loading before it was 1,3604.5 grams. After the loading the weight measured was 13602.8 grams. Of course I am talking about grams.
The hydrogen tank pressure was measured before and after the reactor was loaded. Hydrogen pressure before the load was 55 bars. Hydrogen pressure after the load was 55 bars. The amount of hydrogen we charged was only 2 grams, and 2 grams was not enough to make the pressure in the tank change.
Average temperature of the water in the input was 18.3 Celsius. Average temperature of the steam at the output was 104.5 Celsius degrees.
The diagrams of the temperature is in the attachments that we will email to you. Again, the diagram is of the temperature, and the function of the temperature against the time. You will find the temperatures in the Y axis and the time in the X axis. You will find all of that in your computer, just to give us your email and you will find it tonight.
Energy consumed from 12:30 when the reactor was... the engineer that made the test considered the consumption of energy, and the production of energy from when we started when we said, "now the reactors have been started." So from when the reactors are gone into self sustaining mode. They have considered only this period. Energy consumed from 12:30 when he reactor has been turned on and 18:00 when the reactor has been turned off we have consumed 66 kilowatt hours.
Part 2 of 4
Total energy production from 12:30 to 6PM, 2,635 kw/h (two thousand six hundred thirty five kilowatt hours). The flow rate of the water has been six hundred and seventy five point six liters per hour of water. The water not vaporized has been five kilograms that has been collected in a tank in a separate tank. The water vaporized has been three thousand seven hundred and sixteen kilograms. The total energy produced has been two thousand six hundred and thirty five kilowatt hours. The COP is difficult to calculate because we have two thousand six hundred and thirty five kilowatts made, and basically during this period we did not consume energy. Of course we have consumed the 66 kilowatt hours to run the fans and the pumps. We will see now the data of this stuff.
Description of the test installation the one megawatt Energy Catalyzer is an assembly of 107 modules of ten kilowatts each connected in parallel. You have noted that we did not produce one megawatt hour per hour we produced less than that. This is because we had to lower the power of the power of the plant because in self sustaining we had the temperature at a certain time that rose too much. The system was difficult to modulate. And this also is the reason why we had to stay very, very strict. So we have produced if you make the calculation we have produced.. two thousand and six hundred thirty five kilowatt hours divided by.... We made about 479 kilowatt hours per hour, which is not one megawatt of power. But we had to choose if we wanted to go all self sustained, or to go with a drive of the resistances. The customer wanted to go all self sustained, because it is very important for him.
So at this point we made 479 kilowatt hours per hour, which is pretty short of one megawatt hours per hour. But it is very important that this work has been made completely without energy input, so the COP theoretically is endless.
Description of the installation. The one megawatt Energy Catalyzer is an assembly of 107 modules... I already read this in English.
Even if the catalyzer is made of 107 modules of 10 kilowatts each, we have worked with about 4 or five kilowatts of power each instead of ten. This sacrifice has been necessary to go full time with self sustaining mode. All of the modules have sat in a container made from steel as you have seen... and the assembly is commanded by a control panel supply with necessary software and necessary conference.... etc.
All the compliments resorted to be valid from a preliminary check. Did I mention the container length of five meters with two point five meters, weight declared by the manufacturer at ten tons. Noise emissions below fifty dba at five meters from the plant of course not considering the dissapator fans.
Waste emissions, no. Gas or smoke emissions, no. Liquid emissions, no.
The water supply to the reactor by means of two pumps with a flow rate capacity of three thousand liters per hour regulated by, so that the flow rate has been about three hundred and fifty liters per hour for each pump. The type of pump is DAB Jet 82 M. The reactors have been also served by an RFG, etc. The energy consumed by the RFGC step is 50 watts. The heat made by the reactor has been dissipated in a steam condenser and the water obtained from the condensation of the heat has been recycled to the reactor. An addition of water has been added from the grid to compensate the water lost from the reservoirs by means of floating gauge to maintain constant level of water in the reservoir. The modules have been divided into rows. Each with a pump so that the pump has a flow rate of 350 liters per hour, for a total of 700 liters per hour. The dissipaters have been designed by an American corporation and they are made by water heat exchanges each cooled by two fans.
Conclusion the results of the test are satisfactory.
To be regarded the gaskets, some leaks have been noticed.
Please put your email address here. On this table you put your email address. I promise that all the addresses put on that paper will arrive tonight or at maximum.
Question and Answer Session
Question to Rossi from Sterling Allan: Were there any electromagnetic stimulation measurements made and used in the process?
Answer from Rossi: No.
Question To Rossi: Were any of the measurements you gave us pertaining to a single module or were they for the whole system.
Answer from Rossi: Whole system. This is the integral of the whole system.
Any further questions?
Professor Ferrari of the University of Bologna.
Question to Rossi: My question is as follows. How do you decide that the self sustain mode has been reached?
Answer from Rossi: I do not understand the question. The moment I decide to choose the self sustaining mode? Now I understand your question. It is based on the curve of the temperature. At a certain point there is a length that tells us this is possible.
Part 3 of 4
That moment when we put the self sustaining on is very difficult to measure, because it happens many times with small reactors. This is why today I was very afraid to accompany you inside. And excuse again myself, I accompanied you all I hope that no one of you have lost your pride. But I had to make it just one or two per time and in a very restricted way. Because you know this was the first day that we had pushed it so much. Also, because it is not easy to get the authorization to work with this stuff. We could use it in the former days, but with many limitations. Today we have been authorized to do what we did. But we made accommodations because this structure for example does not have a safety exit. It just has one exit. So I cannot maintain people here if something happens with the door, if something happens... this is why you have been treated not very well and I had to tell you please come and please go, and only two of you per time. Of course we need many hours of operation, and now it will be possible. This plant will work in a place where we can work properly with all the accessories.
Question to Rossi from Sterling: Would it be appropriate to ask if your customer is happy yet, or do you know?
Answer from Rossi: From the report I would say yes.
Mr. Red Of the magazine Focus, has asked me if the problem of control of these systems. When we consider completed experimentation of the control systems. I answered that today we have controlled things pretty well. But today has been the first day of pushing the system so strongly. With a drive it is easier. Without a drive it is more difficult. You will see in the curves of temperature you will see it is a pretty stable situation. Before we can say that all of the control experience has been completed we need hours, we need hours of work, and hours of testing. A plant that can be considered enough testing, is one that has worked for at least ten thousand hours.
Sorry, it is not allowed smoke here. Anyone who is smoking is requested to stop the cigarette.
Mr. Professor Stremmenos has asked if the modules were connected only in parallel or also in series, and when it would be possible to connect the modules in series enough long to allow higher levels of temperatures to allow us to produce electricity. To produce other kinds of energy, but thermal energy. Now I answer in Italian and then English.
Now in English. I answered Professor Stremmenos that what we have seen tonight is an assembly of series of three enclosed in the boxes which have been put in parallel. So we had a mixed systems made of series and parallel. We do not have yet the experience and the skill necessary to allow us to make longer series to arrive at temperatures of 550 C, which are necessary to make a Carnot cycle. We need experience with this, because the stability of the reactors is of course directly proportional to temperature. We have found a very stable system a very stable way to produce heat for air conditioning, heating, desalinization, etc... For the application of the Carnot cycle we will need at least a couple of years, we need much more experience for such an application.
Mr. Mats Lewan who is a scientific journalist of the magazine NyTeknik he asked to me what will happen now with this plant. The plant has been sold and after this first test which was the test in our factory it will go to the customer. It will work. And the work of this plant will be extremely important because it goes to work in place where we will have all the possibility to have, to work with it for a long time everyday, 24 hours a day, so we can collect all that experience that I answered that we need to complete all the cycle of experience necessary to go to higher temperatures.
I want also to say that from this work, because now I cross the line of plants... I have to remember that this work of research and development to increase the reactions of this technology will be made from us with the University of Bolonga and the University of Uppsala. With both these universities. With Bologna we have already signed an agreement that we will perform in short time. With Uppsala we are pretty close to signing an agreement. And this research and development will go ahead in parallel and of course this will help to the possible application of this technology. We will try to focus this research in the upgrading of the temperatures, in the applications of longer series to get higher temperatures, because this is essentially the main barrier to overcome.
Part 4 of 4
Mr. Sonya of has asked me if I think that the test of today is a breakthrough. I think yes because I think today we have seen enough.. no more small five or ten kilowatt unit, but we now have overcame the disconnected with the engineering to make something... to go in self sustaining mode and make 400 kilowatt hour per hour, to understand that this is a breakthrough you can also think that hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent to try and have a COP of 1.1 with hot nuclear fusion. Today we have made a theoretically endless COP, maybe 400 and something. 470 kilowatt hour per hour, totally free energy, free of fuel. Of course this is the first step, but a very important first step. Because now we are not looking at the plant from the top to the bottom, but the bottom to the high.
Question to Rossi: My question is seemingly stupid, but it is important fora person who wants to study the production of energy of E Cat from the theoretical view point so they need a very small one, and not a very big one. On a small scale it is possible to realize.. easier to realize easier controls and faster change. What is the lower limit of the size of the system to have some measurable effect.
Answer from Rossi: The miniaturization of the system I think is possible. We had plenty of space we did not utilize today. So it is possible. This is another line to put in our research. Yes, the miniaturization is possible. I am not probably.... the path will be more of certification and authorization kind than technological kind. Of course you think miniaturization will make it easy to apply to any kind of system, but mainly household or mainly layman systems. I think that the difficulty in this sense will be more of the authorization kind. But in any case, yes I think there is plenty of space to be reduced.
Question to Rossi: I was just going to ask where future customers can go for more information and when you will take future orders for additional products, and when you will entertain licensing and investment.
Answer from Rossi: The main house that makes this system is Leonardo Corporation which is located in the United States. So the manufacturing will be in the United States where we are already are.... in Italy we will maintain research and development. So for commercial issues the contact must be in the United States basically the Leonardo Corporation. I think everyone knows here the email address is
email@example.com. In Europe the division for Europe is EFA which is this company where you are right now, but we will orient the commercial request to the right person. You know perfectly that in the United States I am in contact also with you for this issue so we have will have plenty of time to talk about this. By the way in ten days I will be in the United States.
Mr. Mats Lewan of Nyteknik asked, "how much costs a toy like this one." I can answer that. We will hit the market initially with a price that will be around 2,000 dollars per kilowatt. This will be the initial price but of course the price will be subject to change, depending on the economy scale. Of course should we receive... Of course this price could drop to some hundreds of dollars per kilowatt if we produce hundreds of thousands of pieces. This is just a matter of economy scale and system of production. The system of production is now hand crafted.
Question to Rossi: Any limitations of when we can publish this information?
Answer from Rossi: I am not the right person.
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PESN Coverage of E-Cat
For a more exhaustive listing, see News:Rossi_Cold_Fusion
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- November 22, 2012
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- November 15, 2012
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- November 8, 2012
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- November 1, 2012
Weekly -- October 25, 2012
Weekly -- October 18, 2012
Andrea Rossi's Black Box -- by Popular Science (PESN; October 16,
Penon High-Temperature E-Cat Test Results Posted (PESN)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- October 11, 2012 (PESN)
Weekly -- October 4, 2012 (PESN)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- September 27, 2012 (PESN)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- September 20, 2012 (PESN)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- September 13, 2012 (PESN)
2012 E-Cat Conference Report: 1 MW E-Cat Ready (PESN; September
September 9: Andrea Rossi Q&A, Panel Discussion, Interview
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Weekly -- September 6, 2012 (PESN; September 6, 2012)
E-Cat Conference in Zurich (PESWiki;
August 31, 2012)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- August 30, 2012 (PESN)
A Barrel of a Hundred High Temperature E-Cats (PESN;
August 30, 2012)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- August 23, 2012 (PESN)
Existence of 1,200C E-Cat Test Report Confirmed (PESN;
August 22, 2012)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- August 16, 2012 (PESN)
about Hot Cat Test Data Leaker (PESN;
August 13, 2012)
Stunning Third Party E-Cat Test Report Details Leaked During NIWeek (PESN;
August 11, 2012)
LENR-to-Market Weekly -- August 9, 2012 (PESN)
Mainstream Coverage of Fleischmann's Death Mentions Nothing of Technology Nearing Marketplace (PESN;
August 8, 2012)