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GM Says They've Not Heard of Tilley
Carl Tilley shows the Pontiac Bonneville on his site and calls it a
"Tilley Electric Vehicle", saying it will go for sale this year.
General Motors says they have never heard of Tilley.
by Sterling
D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News -- Exclusive
Copyright © 2005
Follow-up From
GM Has Not Heard of Tilley
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"Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)"
Source: TilleyFoundation.com
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1999 Pontiac Bonneville
Source: InternetAutoGuide.com
See also: Google:
Pontiac Bonneville |
Screen grab from Tilley
Foundation page (cache)
Date of screen shot: Sept. 15,
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Disclosure:
PESN,
operated by PES Network Inc, was started by Sterling D. Allan as a
spin-off of FreeEnergyNews.com, which was a spin-off of
FreeEnergy.GreaterThings.com, which in turn was a spin-off of
GreaterThings.com/News/FreeEnergy/. This news service had its start
on Sept. 7, 2002, providing live coverage of Carl Tilley's Super
Speedway demo in Nashville. Hence the carry-over of the DeLorean
image in the upper left hand corner of the FreeEnergyNews.com
website that persists even now. For the first few months, our
coverage was favorable/optimistic until enough evidence was
supplied to document the fraudulent character of the Tilley
Foundation operation headed by Carl Tilley. The evidence has
continued to mount. Early on, at a time when we were wearing
multiple hats, we had even approached the Tilley Foundation
regarding a possible licensing arrangement to help bring his
technology to the world. Our offer was declined. |
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On the Tilley Foundation website
(cache)
is a photograph of a 2001 or earlier Pontiac Bonneville as built and marketed by
General Motors (GM). But rather than identifying it as such, the caption
identifies it as a "Tilley Electric Vehicle".
The Tilley Foundation site claims that the car is capable of running
indefinitely, without being recharged -- but that is another
story.
Nowhere in their statement do they mention the name "Bonneville" or
"Pontiac" or "GM."
Rather, they say:
"Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
be on sale to the general public in 2005"
... almost as if they are the manufacturer and even originator not just of
the electric drive design, but of the car itself.
The "list of standard equipment" goes far beyond just the electrical
drive system.
Nowhere do they state that the car in the picture is not the actual final car
that will be sold. The only caveat is found in the phrase "production
model concept".
If a car is going to be sold within three months of the announcement of its
sale, in the world of automobiles you would think that the "concept
model" image you are viewing is pretty well nailed down to what the final
version will actually be like.
The announcement does not include a disclaimer that it is a "forward
looking statement," and that the final outcome might be different than the
expectation at present.
Even if all they are doing is modifying the Bonneville into an all-electric
variant (which would be wonderful if that were true, and if it actually
performed as they claim), the fact remains that because the vehicle depicted is
a proprietary design held by GMs Pontiac Division, Tilley will need to have
approval from the owners to sell this car, even with a different power train.
If this "concept" photo is to illustrate the idea, but the actual make
and model will be from another manufacturer, they should have included that
information in their announcement. No such information is given.
The reader is left to assume that the car they are seeing is the car they would
be buying.
The question, therefore, that begs to be asked, is "what kind of
relationship, if any, does Carl Tilley and the Tilley Foundation have with
GM?"
Nick Daniels, of General Motors, said, "We were not aware of this at
all. We don't know about this guy. We've never heard of him."
Getting to Nick Daniels was quit difficult, as the phone number listed on the GM
website had so many levels of screening. Mr. Charles Moore, said that as a
matter of policy, "GM doesn't comment on individual websites."
He was going to leave it at that, except that an escalation was requested.
Daniels assigned a couple of people to investigate the matter, and said he would
also probably be talking to some legal people as well. "They're going
to get right on this as of right now," he said Thursday.
# # #
SOURCES
- Phone conversation with Nick Daniels of General
Motors, Sept. 15, 2005, contacted through Charles Moore at 1-866-942-4368
x4574. Moore put me in touch with Trish MacNair, who put me in touch
with Nick Daniels.
- Tilley
Total Electric Car to be Produced - Announcement on Tilley's
website, posted Sept. 13, 2005, according to home page link. (back-up
copy)
Feedback
List of Equipment Matches Bonneville
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/487525627/fetch/611281/
(Sept. 16, 2005)
The list of equipment on the supposed TEV closely matches that of a Pontiac
Bonneville. The HUD was available from the factory on these GM models.
"H" bodies, I believe. "W" bodies as well such as the Grand
Prix / Regal / Lumina Note also that the Bonneville is of unibody construction
regarding Tilley's comments about having the batteries in the "frame".
The body style changed dramatically in 2000, I believe. I think the version
Tilley is using has to be 1999-1995.
-- LTC8K6
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Fraud
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/487525627/fetch/611562/
(Sept. 16, 2005)
I would think that Tilley stating that the Delorean went over one hundred
miles without charging, and not being able to duplicate that feat would qualify
as a lie, and in effect, fraud. His many lies to investors stating that the car
never needs recharging, that his shop is run solely from the device, that they
have made a billion dollar deal with a buyer, would also be considered lies, and
fraud, depending on when the lies occurred. They need to put him away, not fine
him.
Engineer Ed
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Page created by Sterling
D. Allan September 15, 2005
Last updated September 18, 2005
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