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GM Says They've Not Heard of Tilley

Carl Tilley shows the Pontiac Bonneville on his site and calls it a "Tilley Electric Vehicle", saying it will go for sale this year.  General Motors says they have never heard of Tilley.

by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News -- Exclusive
Copyright © 2005

Follow-up From

GM Has Not Heard of Tilley



"Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)"

Source: TilleyFoundation.com



1999 Pontiac Bonneville

Source: InternetAutoGuide.com
See also: Google: Pontiac Bonneville


Screen grab
from Tilley Foundation page (cache)

Date of screen shot: Sept. 15, 2005
Disclosure:
PESN, operated by PES Network Inc, was started by Sterling D. Allan as a spin-off of FreeEnergyNews.com, which was a spin-off of FreeEnergy.GreaterThings.com, which in turn was a spin-off of GreaterThings.com/News/FreeEnergy/. This news service had its start on Sept. 7, 2002, providing live coverage of Carl Tilley's Super Speedway demo in Nashville. Hence the carry-over of the DeLorean image in the upper left hand corner of the FreeEnergyNews.com website that persists even now. For the first few months, our coverage was favorable/optimistic – until enough evidence was supplied to document the fraudulent character of the Tilley Foundation operation headed by Carl Tilley. The evidence has continued to mount. Early on, at a time when we were wearing multiple hats, we had even approached the Tilley Foundation regarding a possible licensing arrangement to help bring his technology to the world.  Our offer was declined.

On the Tilley Foundation website (cache) is a photograph of a 2001 or earlier Pontiac Bonneville as built and marketed by General Motors (GM).  But rather than identifying it as such, the caption identifies it as a "Tilley Electric Vehicle".

The Tilley Foundation site claims that the car is capable of running indefinitely, without being recharged -- but that is another story.

Nowhere in their statement do they mention the name "Bonneville" or "Pontiac" or "GM."

Rather, they say:

"Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to be on sale to the general public in 2005"

... almost as if they are the manufacturer and even originator not just of the electric drive design, but of the car itself.

The "list of standard equipment" goes far beyond just the electrical drive system.

Nowhere do they state that the car in the picture is not the actual final car that will be sold.  The only caveat is found in the phrase "production model concept".

If a car is going to be sold within three months of the announcement of its sale, in the world of automobiles you would think that the "concept model" image you are viewing is pretty well nailed down to what the final version will actually be like.

The announcement does not include a disclaimer that it is a "forward looking statement," and that the final outcome might be different than the expectation at present.

Even if all they are doing is modifying the Bonneville into an all-electric variant (which would be wonderful if that were true, and if it actually performed as they claim), the fact remains that because the vehicle depicted is a proprietary design held by GM’s Pontiac Division, Tilley will need to have approval from the owners to sell this car, even with a different power train.

If this "concept" photo is to illustrate the idea, but the actual make and model will be from another manufacturer, they should have included that information in their announcement.  No such information is given.

The reader is left to assume that the car they are seeing is the car they would be buying.

The question, therefore, that begs to be asked, is "what kind of relationship, if any, does Carl Tilley and the Tilley Foundation have with GM?"

Nick Daniels, of General Motors, said, "We were not aware of this at all.  We don't know about this guy.  We've never heard of him."

Getting to Nick Daniels was quit difficult, as the phone number listed on the GM website had so many levels of screening.  Mr. Charles Moore, said that as a matter of policy, "GM doesn't comment on individual websites."  He was going to leave it at that, except that an escalation was requested.

Daniels assigned a couple of people to investigate the matter, and said he would also probably be talking to some legal people as well.  "They're going to get right on this as of right now," he said Thursday.

# # #

SOURCES

  • Phone conversation with Nick Daniels of General Motors, Sept. 15, 2005, contacted through Charles Moore at 1-866-942-4368 x4574.  Moore put me in touch with Trish MacNair, who put me in touch with Nick Daniels.
  • Tilley Total Electric Car to be Produced - Announcement on Tilley's website, posted Sept. 13, 2005, according to home page link. (back-up copy)

Feedback

List of Equipment Matches Bonneville

http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/487525627/fetch/611281/
(Sept. 16, 2005)

The list of equipment on the supposed TEV closely matches that of a Pontiac Bonneville. The HUD was available from the factory on these GM models. "H" bodies, I believe. "W" bodies as well such as the Grand Prix / Regal / Lumina Note also that the Bonneville is of unibody construction regarding Tilley's comments about having the batteries in the "frame". The body style changed dramatically in 2000, I believe. I think the version Tilley is using has to be 1999-1995.

-- LTC8K6

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Fraud

http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/487525627/fetch/611562/
(Sept. 16, 2005)

I would think that Tilley stating that the Delorean went over one hundred miles without charging, and not being able to duplicate that feat would qualify as a lie, and in effect, fraud. His many lies to investors stating that the car never needs recharging, that his shop is run solely from the device, that they have made a billion dollar deal with a buyer, would also be considered lies, and fraud, depending on when the lies occurred. They need to put him away, not fine him.

Engineer Ed


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Page created by Sterling D. Allan September 15, 2005
Last updated September 18, 2005

 

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